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kick it up relax let's go

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how i see your rust below

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yes it's obvious for each of us

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anomalous

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consciousness

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to the west of us

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is it dangerous

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i don't think so

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to the west of us

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is it dangerous

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yes it's obvious

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thanks for joining me today we have a

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pretty cool show in store

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um that i'm very much looking forward to

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and thank you for the nice comments on

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my songs you guys know that's my piecing

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so i appreciate it

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um

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but i won't make you sit through the

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whole thing right

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if you want to you can check out that

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song on my youtube it's free to do so

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and if you want the song i can put it on

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bandcamp for free if you want it to so

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not a problem there real quick hello to

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everybody bass uh megan what's up

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uh scott robert

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uh all my norms my usuals i appreciate

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you guys

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stargate

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uh cosmic deception dutch uap disclosure

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great this crew is just growing i love

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that luke what's up

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i'm glad you guys uh trust me with this

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stuff and you come hang out to hear what

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i got to say so today is uh really came

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about pretty randomly

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um a friend of mine

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um project unity who we've had on here

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um not too long ago now maybe a couple

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um he had posted something with uh mr

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and you know i saw him do a video uh

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like months ago and it i was like you

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gotta be kidding me

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that was pretty cool so i just got in

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touch with him and asked him to to talk

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with me and he was very responsive and

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we set something up right away and it's

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fantastic then i watched his thing with

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whitley uh which i put the description

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there so you can check that out um

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i don't like to cover the same stuff

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usually but we'll see how it goes

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anything he's not going to answer

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everything but

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but i can ask everything

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um and so when we get through with our

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you know and doing our thing if we have

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time um you know you guys can ask

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uh everything in him if that's the case

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you know he'll just politely let us know

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pretty good thank you for having me

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appreciate you taking the time

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um how was your day thus far

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we get most of our rainfall so it's like

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the red snow birds they all come down

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snow birds from the north

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yeah i'm very used to the term snowbirds

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being from here and you know

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doing business here i get a lot of that

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i can't get a hold of people because

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there's no birds so on and so forth

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um but yeah i mean you were nice enough

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to share with me your credentials um

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quite amazing career that you've had to

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be honest uh you started in the cia the

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year i was born in 1984

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and you've done everything from decorate

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of uh intelligence

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uh senior analyst science and technology

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i.t manager

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um the united states navy

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very uh interesting background there um

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what made you want to go down this path

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when did ufos uh tickle your fancy so to

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everything started when i was very small

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and you've heard this story before that

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people who are interested in this had

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uh around about age four five or six and

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that's the same with me i've had

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and i've described those uh prior but uh

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condense it for you

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um i remember being taken by a woman to

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a house that

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was like a victorian house and the woman

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wasn't my mother and being examined by a

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doctor and a nurse who looked to be like

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victorian doctors and nurses

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and reassuring me that um that no harm

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will come to me everything is fine we

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just want to examine you

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and being undressed and being examined

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being dressed again and i'll be led out

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to the house

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sometimes it's on the first floor to the

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left and sometimes up the staircase and

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another experience i had was i was at a

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um what used to be called i'm going to

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date myself because i was born in 53

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what used to be called a five-and-dime

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where um now they're called dollar

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stores but you know nothing's really a

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these stores but they were called five

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and dine stores and there was a

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a bin of books

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and i was just throwing through the

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books because i love books and um i saw

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a book with uh an illustration on the

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lower left-hand corner and i still

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remember it

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and the illustration showed uh two

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uh primitive humans like uh

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and the woman had her arms outstretched

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and in her arm

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was a more modern looking like a baby

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um not not a primitive baby but a modern

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baby in her outstretched arms and a beam

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of light shining down from a saucer

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accompanied by another saucer

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and the download i got from that was

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this is where you came from

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and that we made you

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um this is where all humans came from

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and that was a fascinating

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thing for me i wanted to take this book

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home so i got my mother elsewhere in the

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store

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brought it back to where i put the book

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down and that book was not there to be

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found

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and this is just two of the early

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experiences and i've had these

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experiences all throughout my life

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wow

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that is incredible

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that uh

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a man with such a a resume

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you know has had an experience like that

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uh often we're we're privy to um

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to that and people like that so i really

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do appreciate your courage for coming

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out and you know talking about that

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starting off with woo right away right

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yeah that's a good point that we brought

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up sean because um a lot of my close

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personal friends at cia and elsewhere in

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an intelligence community

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once i got to know them and establish a

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trust relationship with them as

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colleagues

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they've all shared similar experiences

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and so it's it's prevalent everywhere

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you don't have to be an intelligence

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community to have this experience no i'm

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viewers today have had similar

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the question i have is why us some

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people say you know i know this never

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happened to me i think it's all hogwash

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you know right but for those who have

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experiences with seeing crap or seeing

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with having visitors come to our

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residence usually at night i don't know

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and they need to be comfortable

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intelligence community personnel tell me

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that you know they have similar

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experiences

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um with visitors and they're better

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um now it's going to be hard to change

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topics from that because it's so very

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interesting

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but i did want to my plan was to kind of

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end to that and kind of uh you know

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you know all your knowledge so by the

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end of it

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it would be that much more difficult for

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so um

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you know some of this uh some of this

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you know i'll start with and it's just

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kind of selfish stuff because i've you

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know been researching this era but i'll

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make it really quick

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you know i pretty much gotten all the

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way up to the condon report and at the

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university of colorado study and you

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might not know the answers to these

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things but uh you're a lot smarter than

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i am so i have to at least ask

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now the only thing i found which i

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should recently on my twitter page after

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uh that study was sri international um

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proposing a ufo research program

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but i don't know if that happened or

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what happened so

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long story short what happened in the

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huge gap

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a lot has happened um and

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report um

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and the robertson panel uh there's the

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semi quasi government

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government-sponsored

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studies into

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ufos

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they were

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primarily hosted by an office in cia

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called the office of scientific

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intelligence or osi

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right and uh within that um organization

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um the osi was looking at

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everything from a science and technology

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perspective not necessarily

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a threat

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like an adversarial threat

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but like what is happening in our skies

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and why

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um

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after these studies were conducted

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um

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the

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department of defense more or less took

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over from there

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and that's where you hear about project

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blue book

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and that took it away from cia which uh

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in intelligence world

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we have a different set of laws

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governing what we do for the us

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government

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and it's going to get into a little bit

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of

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policy wonkiness but it's important to

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distinguish what the department of

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defense does

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in the ufology field and what the civic

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cia can do in the ufology field

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and so we are called a title 50

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intelligence agency a civilian

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intelligence agency we're not beholden

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to the department of defense in any way

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our analysis is not geared toward uh

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discovering whether something is a

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threat or not

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we just report on the science and

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technology aspects of what we collect

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and it's not necessarily ufos but it

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could be like

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the russian nuclear program or iran

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nuclear program it's all about the

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science and technology we don't make

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assessments as to whether this program

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is a threat so from the ufos perspective

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we didn't even cover that threat aspect

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we tossed it over where it was taken

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from us by the department of defense and

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under title 10 which governs department

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of defense it's all about national

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security threats and that's what drives

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defense acquisitions

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um

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and so from ufo perspective you know our

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uh the craft we're seeing pose a threat

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to the uh national security united

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states

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in the framework of our do we have

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control of our own skies

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right so that's what happened all

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through um project blue book and

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um

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that's the distinction between the two

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now after project blue book was done

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uh that's where we learned that um there

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was nits

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and that's also kind of like not

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entirely government sponsored

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but i believe that the government had

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knowledge of nids and what they were

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doing um and so niz took it up to a

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certain point and i believe correct me

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if i'm wrong 1992

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might be when this stopped so what

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happened after did stop

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and um also started

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uh what was that 2008 i believe yeah

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funding and all that was arranged in

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2007 2008 so what happened in between

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well there was an advance in sensor

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technology that we didn't have before

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it's no longer secret that the national

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reconnaissance officer nro collects

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builds satellites to collect imagery

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intelligence

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and we know that because you know we

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have google earth now

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right and we have google maps and all of

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these civilian type of

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um ways to access imagery intelligence

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well they built these satellites just to

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take pictures originally and there's a

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whole series starting from like a kh-1

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corona program all the way up to what

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you know

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tag board

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so you know all of that

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um now

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what happened was in the 90s

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a special payload was placed

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um because there's space on the

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spacecraft and when i say spacecraft i'm

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not talking about ufos that's right you

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talk about satellites

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and so i'm going to use a lot of like

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acronyms and stop me if you want me to

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explain one but spacecraft meaning

401
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satellites there was payload space so

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the initial payload the primary payload

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is to take pictures and we got all this

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space on the spacecraft what else can we

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do

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and that's when they start putting what

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we know as masen or measurement and

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signature intelligence sensors

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an ir is that a band of

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wavelengths below red

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and so they're long wavelengths below

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red they're above the radio frequency

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wavelengths and below the light spectrum

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so in that they were sensors placed

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and originally um they were very

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primitive sensors you basically saw

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something that lights up and there it

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was

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detection

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you know the country fires the ballistic

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missile we see it it lights up yeah

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there was a ballistic missile fired or

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there was a nuclear test it lights up

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and we can see it

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as

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the technology progressed we went from a

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simple sensor into something called

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multi-spectral and in an intelligence

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world multi-spectral means we have four

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bands of ir now on board the spacecraft

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four bands

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and we also had the defense support

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program satellites were like mostly

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geared for launch detection and nuclear

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detonation detection so we have these

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assets up in space

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and that's when they start seeing like

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oh my gosh

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look there's all these orbs up there

440
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and by the way they're not like

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they're not metallic cracked

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flying in our skies they're orbs of

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light what is that all about

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um and this and so it's not just like um

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a random occurrence i mean it was

446
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happening so that it appeared

447
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the orbs of light

448
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were flying in formation under

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intelligent control

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meaning that i was flying with intent to

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go to a destination

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and with a purpose in mind and so there

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we we have a situation where okay what

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kind of technology is that

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and so

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um

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we started studying these orbs of light

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so we knew this before ossac was

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created

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well correct me if i'm wrong that

461
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did was awesome right before that um

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i might not be able to answer this one

463
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is it true that there were about 50 orbs

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or so picked up by satellite

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i don't know the number i have not seen

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an exact number

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um that's something that if you ever get

468
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uh dr james uh caskey on your program

469
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that would be a good one

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but i know there were several

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um and

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so that started um a

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working group

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to form in the intelligence community

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and a timeline let's advance it to like

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late 90s early 2000s sure the working

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group was established to look at this

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and it was a small working group now of

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course i mean what was the united states

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major concern in the early 2000s it was

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counter terrorism

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so all the efforts went toward counter

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terrorism taking money from everywhere

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else

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uh so there was a small working group

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and

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but

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as more of these elections occurred

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it was obvious that more deep needed to

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be done

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and that's where

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i understood

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the cia's participation came in

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and i have to be very careful here

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because i can talk about it from a

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general sense but not get into specifics

497
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um as you know let me preface it i did

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do a 74 uh slide presentation the

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purpose of it was to or first of all i

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was hoping to present this in a uh

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in the context of a ufo uh convention uh

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symposium on stage but secondly and most

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importantly i wanted to put down

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everything i knew on paper in a

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powerpoint format presented to cia to

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see what got redacted

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so my several slides about what i'm

508
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about to tell you never got redacted

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um i titled it uh what would the the

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intelligence community do if they saw a

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uap phenomenon event so here it goes so

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the first thing we would do is we would

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like atkins razer you know let's find

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like simplest explanations the most

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likely

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um let's look at for example

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could this be

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an aircraft

519
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or some craft

520
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flown by

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china or russia so we we looked at that

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inventory

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and so

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we eliminated china but in russia there

525
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analysis done on one craft that they had

526
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the mig-31

527
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that is the highest that an air

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breathing craft can fly and they still

529
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hold that record you might hear the

530
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sr-71 went above it but i can't confirm

531
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that

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above

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120 000 feet to 123 000 feet and had the

534
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capability of operating in a combat mode

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uh from 85 to 100 000 feet

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wow and so it carried something

537
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called a plasma stealth generator

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as a counter measure

539
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to

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ward off radar signals now what we did

541
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was use faceted aircraft

542
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and we did the math ironically came from

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the russians

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working on

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a faceted aircraft design which they

546
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never executed because they went

547
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much more higher in technology by

548
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creating plasma stealth

549
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which you can put on any aircraft

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and so we eliminated the mig-31

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uh it could have been the mc31 because

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we know when the mc31 flies so we look

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at all of the

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analysis for the mig-31 in flight

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and none of them match were the uh

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sightings of the orbs the mig-31s were

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not flying especially um when the orbs

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are flying in space above 123 thousand

559
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feet we knew okay that's 331

560
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right

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so we eliminated that

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and then

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so

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the

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uh

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orbs are

567
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or anything up in space

568
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from space to the ground when in space

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that is the responsibility of not cia

570
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dia or nsa or nro nro builds the

571
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satellites to do it but the

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ngo nga national spatial intelligence

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00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,080
agency nga i was amused in the uh

574
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skin walkers of the pentagon book that

575
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:46,080
lakaski actually called it ngia and

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00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,440
that's a mistake

577
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:48,960
it's

578
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,440
another agency

579
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:53,200
they

580
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:56,480
were the owners of that data of the orb

581
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:57,440
data

582
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,679
needed to find out if it's not an

583
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,679
aircraft what could it be

584
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,520
the first thing you would look the first

585
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,280
place you would look is to eliminate

586
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:09,200
that there were glitches in the software

587
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,400
the imagery analysis software right

588
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,159
and so it could could it be like a

589
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,559
glitch there uh what happened why are

590
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:18,400
these orbs being seen

591
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,679
and they totally like ruled out that

592
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,120
it's software

593
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,679
so all of the imagery analysis software

594
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,240
was working as was intended

595
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,360
secondly uh the next place you go

596
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,080
from the nga perspective is to ask nro

597
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,559
since nro is responsible for the care

598
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,640
and feeding of our

599
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,559
overhead constellation

600
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,080
um

601
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,440
was there anything wrong with the

602
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,279
satellites could you check the

603
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,360
satellites are they working

604
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,600
so nga check the satellites and say yep

605
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,360
they're working so if it's not the

606
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,360
software on the ground or the hardware

607
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,799
up in space

608
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,120
uh we we have an interesting situation

609
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,720
there's something there because it's not

610
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,000
an atmosphere

611
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,679
i'd like to see everyone's face at that

612
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,720
point

613
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,440
and well what happened was the nga and

614
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,640
nro

615
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,240
together

616
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:11,520
established a working group

617
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,799
and

618
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,799
it's not true that to do anything to

619
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,960
government you need money this is part

620
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:18,960
of the everyday job

621
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,679
that we have is to make sure that our

622
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,919
collection systems are operating as

623
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,080
normal and that's already pre-funded

624
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,400
that's already in the um

625
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,200
the intelligence budget for both the

626
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,080
title 10 military side and the title 50

627
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,440
civilian side

628
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,840
so as a matter of course you can just

629
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,000
call a working group together

630
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:41,840
and so they send out the working group

631
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,559
invitations to subject matter experts in

632
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,640
every intelligence agency

633
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,720
so at cia there was a subject matter

634
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,880
expert that they went to

635
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,760
and this

636
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,080
subject matter expert

637
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,840
remember i mentioned office of

638
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,320
scientific intelligence hadoop that

639
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,480
office merged with the office of weapons

640
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,480
intelligence and created something

641
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,640
called the office of science

642
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,760
scientific and weapons research

643
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,919
and oswr

644
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,200
and if you're a tom clancy reader

645
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,520
in the cardinal of the kremlin

646
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:18,159
he revealed the existence of oswr and

647
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,279
what it did

648
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,000
this guy was really well connected

649
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,240
um and so oswr

650
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,320
and its predecessor called the weapons

651
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:28,320
intelligence non-proliferation armed

652
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,159
control center windpac w-i-n-p-a-c

653
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,360
that organization will be responsible

654
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,919
for looking at these type

655
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,600
types of phenomena

656
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,760
and so their subject matter expert then

657
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,520
went into the agency

658
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,159
and just not cia but all the agencies

659
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,320
all the subject matter experts and then

660
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,919
they start briefing the appropriate

661
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,760
people

662
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,440
that we're starting this working group

663
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,640
and this is why we're starting it

664
00:25:59,920 --> 00:25:58,640
and so the agencies would then

665
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,930
contribute

666
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:01,279
[Music]

667
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,320
other

668
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,159
working group subject traumatic experts

669
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,039
to participate in this study

670
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,360
and so they all gathered

671
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,640
and it's at an nga facility um nga is

672
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,440
located in springfield virginia

673
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,520
and in st louis missouri

674
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,760
and they want to stay out of dc

675
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:21,039
so

676
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:24,640
and this is nothing classified you can

677
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,720
look up nga wdest west nga west and

678
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,720
you'll see that there's a presence in st

679
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,320
louis missouri

680
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,480
um and so they gathered there let's say

681
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,440
and they studied these forms and they

682
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,279
cast more collection

683
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:41,360
that is now you're going to task the

684
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,640
constellation

685
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,480
to look for this you're not going to

686
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,039
filter this out as noise anymore don't

687
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,200
filter it out if you see this it's not

688
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,080
noise it's not an anomaly collected and

689
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,640
they studied it and they studied it in

690
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,760
depth

691
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,600
and from there

692
00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:00,320
they said okay now we have all of these

693
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,200
um

694
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:03,200
agencies you know the big the big

695
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:08,559
agencies uh nsa cia dia nro nga and all

696
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,440
of the uh beltway bandits

697
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,600
and you know those uh lockheed martin's

698
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,120
raytheon's

699
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,840
all up all right and all those

700
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:18,960
together

701
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:22,640
and they produced a report on

702
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,000
their findings wow this report is not

703
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,559
geared toward oh my gosh it's a threat

704
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,240
it's a hey here's the scientific

705
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,559
findings that we we have

706
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,399
and we don't know what's going on but it

707
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:36,880
is going on it's a legitimate thing

708
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,159
so now you know enter the dni

709
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,279
and so since the title 50 civilian side

710
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,159
of these agencies work for the dni the

711
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,320
dni will then brief the president of the

712
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:50,799
united states which uh let's say it's

713
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,600
george bush

714
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,440
and so

715
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,159
decision levers are formulated by the

716
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,240
intelligence community working group

717
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,080
i should add the the intelligence

718
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,440
community never ever makes policy

719
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,919
we do not tell the policymakers what

720
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,600
policy they should pursue

721
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,320
we give them uh options called decision

722
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,480
levers and with and when they pull the

723
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,200
decision level one let's say there's a

724
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,600
range of options they can execute

725
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,640
with uh an assessment of success and

726
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,600
also an assessment of likely outcomes

727
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,640
and most importantly unintended outcomes

728
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,720
so if you do this all these good things

729
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,240
that happen but oh by the way all these

730
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,240
bad things might happen as well

731
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,480
so we give them a range so let's say the

732
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,120
three ranges are um we're going to

733
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,960
continue to observe

734
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,840
but do not provoke the

735
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,600
phenomena the second one might be

736
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,919
we're going to continue to observe

737
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,640
but we want to do something to attract

738
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,640
the phenomenon

739
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,399
and the third one might be

740
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,559
not only are we going to observe

741
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,640
but we're going to take kinetic action

742
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,799
against that phenomenon

743
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,880
which is like for intents and purposes

744
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:04,320
let's shoot one down

745
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,880
right well

746
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,399
[Music]

747
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,880
three didn't happen it was no intention

748
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,559
to shoot anything down

749
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,440
yeah two didn't happen one was continue

750
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,240
to collect and analyze the phenomenon

751
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,320
gather more intelligence

752
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:21,039
and so that's what the policy makers

753
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,919
knew

754
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,120
okay

755
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,240
now we have knits and we have the book

756
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,039
um which george knapp's book um

757
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:31,760
humphrey skinwalker

758
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,200
with knits uh sponsoring uh this the the

759
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,799
book

760
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,440
now we have that and from reading skin

761
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,960
walkers to the pentagon you're you're

762
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,559
led to believe that

763
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,159
james lukowski

764
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,840
found the book it was fascinated by it

765
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,399
said my god we need to like

766
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,480
create something like asap going to

767
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,840
senator reid

768
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,919
well what that book didn't address was

769
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,039
that

770
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,399
scientific studies

771
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,080
of this phenomenon

772
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,399
from a space-based perspective

773
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,360
what lakoski did was since he knew about

774
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,279
the knit study at skinwalker ranch he

775
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,679
studied the phenomenon on the ground

776
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,200
okay and so

777
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,600
uh that's a long explanation but if you

778
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,760
read and i suggest everyone read the

779
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,440
book because there's some fascinating

780
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:18,960
information in there

781
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:21,520
and i can talk about orbs without

782
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,640
any kind of uh

783
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,320
stigma then you're talking about

784
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:28,080
something that's really rude but you

785
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,279
know they saw worse um on the ground and

786
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,159
um they documented orbs in the sky

787
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,279
so that's what happened from alsat

788
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,679
well onward now i left the government

789
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:42,480
before all sap started as also starting

790
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,919
i left the government in 2009 so i did

791
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,080
not know that allsaf was even in

792
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,480
existence it was truly a

793
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,039
special access program within the title

794
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,880
10 department of defense

795
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,279
what i knew about was that there have

796
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,120
always been studies

797
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,200
about this phenomenon

798
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:02,840
it seems like

799
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,679
but uh what really triggered the

800
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,760
acceleration of this study was the fact

801
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,919
that now we had a new type of sensor

802
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:11,360
data

803
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:14,559
that can more in depth examine the

804
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,480
phenomenon as to what it is it's makeup

805
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,760
and so

806
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,919
uh that's the part that's missing that i

807
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:23,840
included in my slide presentation that

808
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,480
cia said it's not classified

809
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,200
wow that's incredible i i just first of

810
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,559
all want to thank you for sharing all

811
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,799
that i feel like a lot of people have

812
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,960
been in the dark for whatever reason as

813
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:36,000
far as

814
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,440
you know what's happened in all that

815
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:39,440
time and it's really kind of you to

816
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,279
share that with us um i have to ask did

817
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,039
were any sort of

818
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,760
conclusions made as far as where from or

819
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,399
intent from uh the study lockheed and

820
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,799
all the other big guys did

821
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,159
and that's why

822
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,360
i refused to be read in to that program

823
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,640
i really

824
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,720
got a fact of knowledge

825
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,080
because i sent two of my engineers

826
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,399
to nga west

827
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,120
and they got right into everything

828
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,360
uh but i did not i did not want any

829
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,600
readings i can't discuss that at all i i

830
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,919
don't speculate um i can give you

831
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,760
informed speculation but i can't

832
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,000
speculate about any of that

833
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:22,399
yeah that's okay

834
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,360
okay

835
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,799
um

836
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,000
so then

837
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,320
you know in your career have you had any

838
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:30,159
experience with

839
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,159
um louis elizondo and any of that stuff

840
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,240
um chris mellon

841
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,159
i knew about chris mellon because he was

842
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,080
a policymaker you know

843
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,480
the uh i intelligence

844
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,000
um actually he was not the under

845
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,640
secretary he was the deputy assistant

846
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,240
something else

847
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,720
um he wasn't the actual guy

848
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,600
um

849
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,720
at usdi but he was somewhat below that

850
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:56,799
um so

851
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,840
cia analysis supports the

852
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,279
supports them

853
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,440
right okay and they they get information

854
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:04,960
not just from cia about all the

855
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,600
intelligence agencies dia is their

856
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,000
primary product producer since they're

857
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,600
in the department of defense so di

858
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,080
provides military intelligence that they

859
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,919
really need we provide scientific and

860
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,720
technical intelligence uh not really

861
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,600
geared towards assessing the threat

862
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,120
right that's different so i knew about

863
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:25,279
chris mellon but i didn't know about

864
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:26,159
sondo

865
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,360
okay

866
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:28,880
um

867
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,360
you now being in the cia intelligence

868
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,519
all that um do you have any experience

869
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,840
with remote viewing by chance

870
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:36,880
um

871
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,000
yes but not official

872
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,000
and a remote viewing like everybody else

873
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,240
because i i

874
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,640
i heard about it uh listening to uh

875
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:49,120
coast to coast am back when art bill was

876
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,320
really close

877
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:53,360
and so by the way coast-to-coast am was

878
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,120
a very popular program amongst uh uh my

879
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,720
friends at cia

880
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:00,559
uh we listened to it religiously and we

881
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,679
would like discuss it at lunch you know

882
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:06,000
what you know what we heard on coast

883
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,200
coast am

884
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,520
um and so i learned about remote viewing

885
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:11,119
in that sense that there was such a

886
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:12,159
program

887
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,349
i posted

888
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,480
in a

889
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,399
discussion database

890
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,520
that's unclassified that can't be foia

891
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,159
because it's not an official record

892
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:29,440
this is a discussion database

893
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,040
in lotus notes by ibm lotus notes was

894
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:36,159
the primary software that cia used

895
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,040
to

896
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,040
communicate everything there were lotus

897
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:41,280
notes applications for everything this

898
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,430
before like facebook and twitter and all

899
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,280
this you know so we had lotus notes

900
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:50,560
databases

901
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,079
one of them was called the users group

902
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,720
and we called it affectionally thugs

903
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,680
that's a

904
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,280
poor choice of name

905
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,000
but it's called the user's group and we

906
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,400
thug and we just put an s at the end

907
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,480
and i was one of the administrators of

908
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:07,839
that database

909
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,359
it was just about mostly about like uh

910
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,359
us computer geeks getting together and

911
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,880
trying to like hey did you try the

912
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:17,280
latest nvidia card you know i got like

913
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,310
we talked about everything other than

914
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,640
intelligence work because cia said you

915
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,720
can use this database to exchange

916
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,880
technical data or technology data but

917
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,440
you can't talk about classified stuff

918
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,200
right well

919
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,160
see this there's the advantage there

920
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,320
i started talking about remote viewing

921
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,119
and uh so through talking about remote

922
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,680
viewing i got private uh

923
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,839
emails within cia

924
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,520
of people saying yeah i know about the

925
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,280
remote viewing program yeah we had this

926
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,960
remote viewing program

927
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,800
and uh then

928
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,079
there were books written about the

929
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,839
remote viewing program which i read

930
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:59,359
voraciously

931
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,240
um

932
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,200
and so when ed dames

933
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:05,520
major ed danes was a frequent guest on

934
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:08,720
couscous am and he was selling this

935
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,560
home remote viewing kit

936
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,119
and i purchased two of them uh

937
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:18,480
there's no one did you get a bogo

938
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:22,800
dhs and the other one was on cds

939
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,400
uh so i purchased in my i did the first

940
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:28,720
part of the course and just practicing

941
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:31,839
and um there were other uh a friend of

942
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,880
mine a cia friend of mine also uh

943
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,040
had the course and we were like

944
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,400
practicing remotely together ncia during

945
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,240
her lunch breaks

946
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,240
what's unofficial lunch breaks right

947
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,560
right um so yeah that that was my

948
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,720
experience with the remote viewing now i

949
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:51,040
can also add to that then be careful

950
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,440
here i believe that i've actually seen

951
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,359
data from remote viewing

952
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,520
because i was given data and said here's

953
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,720
a drawing

954
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,160
and i said okay where's this drawing

955
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,000
from that's interesting

956
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,640
and it looks like a radar system i don't

957
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,640
know what this radar system is he said

958
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,480
what you know the first thing you asked

959
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,480
is that intelligence analyst what was

960
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,320
the source of the data and what was the

961
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,480
method of extraction they said oh that's

962
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,040
a very sensitive source i can't tell you

963
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,040
what i mean what do you think about this

964
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,920
so i did a complete analysis

965
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,280
and submitted it

966
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,800
and years later i found out what i saw

967
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:31,599
in the photograph the remote viewer

968
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,880
was very good at uh actually

969
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,359
letting us know about a certain radar in

970
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,680
in russia that they were working on

971
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,560
wow that is incredible yeah that was my

972
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,960
one and only remote viewing story

973
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,119
that's a pretty good one though

974
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,320
90s when the program stopped but it

975
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:52,880
seemed like there was a a lot of uh

976
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,960
backlog of these reports and so

977
00:38:02,550 --> 00:37:59,280
these reports were pulsed out to uh

978
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,560
subject matter experts mine was in

979
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,119
large russian radars like ballistic

980
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,680
missile defense radars big ones

981
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:08,800
um

982
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,320
and so since the remote viewing or

983
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:14,079
alleged remote viewing of the diagram

984
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,760
that i got looked like something like

985
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,440
that it came to me

986
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,760
and so that was my one and only remote

987
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,359
viewing story but i got confirmation

988
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:23,040
from with them of people who are

989
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,720
actually in the program from the cia

990
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:26,560
side saying yeah we actually had this

991
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,520
program

992
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,280
that's incredible yeah and i've told you

993
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,000
i'm pretty deep into the foyer reading

994
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,320
library and that whole stargate program

995
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:36,240
and everything there's a lot of reports

996
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,790
let's kind of go backwards i wanted to

997
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,800
ask you something have you heard of the

998
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:47,200
national security space office formerly

999
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,160
ns

1000
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,200
and do you know if anything was

1001
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,280
happening with that

1002
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,520
if it has anything to do with this

1003
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,160
national security space office

1004
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,800
yeah nsso

1005
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,560
sso

1006
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,560
i'll take that as a note

1007
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,880
unless it's a part of the nro i would

1008
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,200
not know because the nro runs the

1009
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,440
national security space program for the

1010
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,880
entire video

1011
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,800
uh okay gotcha understand i think it's

1012
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:17,040
just an office within in a row you have

1013
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:18,800
to dig out the annual

1014
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,760
organization parts and look back at it

1015
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:23,200
you know the government you know it's

1016
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,870
to make it look like oh we're doing

1017
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,880
something different

1018
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:34,480
keep the money coming

1019
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,320
um so it might be an nro part of the nro

1020
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,200
and i can't say for sure i don't know

1021
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:43,359
yeah no that's okay i just wanted to ask

1022
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,240
um

1023
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,560
what when did the intelligence groups or

1024
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,599
you uh basically start realizing that

1025
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,880
there may be

1026
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,680
some sort of uh paranormal or conscious

1027
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,200
connection to

1028
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,160
these orbs or just ufos in general

1029
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:00,560
that's a personal download i

1030
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,079
nothing from my professional experience

1031
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,000
well this is my personal experience

1032
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,240
because i've had

1033
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:10,960
these uh metaphysical experiences

1034
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,599
related to visitors

1035
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,960
um

1036
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,560
i call them people

1037
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,160
they're just people they're just

1038
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,000
different from us

1039
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,400
and i had folks visiting me from

1040
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,520
elsewhere

1041
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,800
um that

1042
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,280
pretty much as people have said you know

1043
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,280
they could be shadows or they could be

1044
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,480
um

1045
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,200
like uh corporeal beings i've had

1046
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,960
experiences like that all throughout my

1047
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,920
life

1048
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,000
yeah and this goes more into the woo

1049
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,960
factor but um sure no that's i do that

1050
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,599
here so yeah

1051
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,950
now it it must have been kind of intense

1052
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:50,480
for you to

1053
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,359
not currently be you know uh serving

1054
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,440
and you see all this play out on the

1055
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,079
news 2017 with the navy videos and the

1056
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,359
big article i i'm sure you were had some

1057
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,000
sense of shock um when you saw those

1058
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,000
videos in the story

1059
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,079
what did you think of it does the did

1060
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,920
the videos do anything for you have you

1061
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,760
seen that kind of thing before it was it

1062
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,280
all brand new

1063
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,640
no i mean it

1064
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,720
shock value was like minimal i mean it

1065
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,440
was no shock whatsoever

1066
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,960
it's just that you know

1067
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,839
um

1068
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,560
i'm both an experiencer and a believer

1069
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,720
yes when i saw them it's all about time

1070
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,800
you know they released these things um

1071
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,240
so i knew about

1072
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,720
the the fact that um the orbs were

1073
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,839
detected

1074
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,079
as far as metallic craft like that or it

1075
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,480
could be uh some manifestation of

1076
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,480
electromagnetic energy around a metallic

1077
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,359
craft

1078
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,839
um it didn't shock me a lot i was just

1079
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,800
happy

1080
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,000
that

1081
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,760
these videos were released because i

1082
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,680
thought this was a watershed moment in

1083
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,599
the entire ufology field

1084
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,760
finally you know the government comes

1085
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,560
out

1086
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,680
and

1087
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,640
presents

1088
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,480
real data

1089
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,480
it's quite incredible though how even

1090
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,160
though that's happened

1091
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,720
um there's enough

1092
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,359
skepticism or doubt per se

1093
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:12,079
um to kind of keep us in the same spot

1094
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,440
isn't that

1095
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,880
it's a little odd isn't it isn't yes it

1096
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,880
is it is and it depends on your world

1097
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,200
view where are you coming from right i

1098
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,599
know that when i talk about my personal

1099
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,680
experiences with the phenomenon and i

1100
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:28,079
should preface this by saying in the

1101
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,200
government

1102
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:31,680
everything the metallic craft the light

1103
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,040
orbs the beings the paranormal beings

1104
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,960
metaphysical beings ethereal

1105
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,880
consciousness higher consciousness

1106
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,079
beings

1107
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,160
everything is classified under

1108
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,640
the phenomenon with a capital p

1109
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,800
including those disturbing aspects of

1110
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,440
the phenomenon that

1111
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,920
uh were documented in the uh skin

1112
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:53,520
walkers of the pentagon book so it's all

1113
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:56,560
the phenomena so as the phenomenon

1114
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,750
i wasn't shocked by it and i

1115
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,000
did not see it as unusual

1116
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,000
um and i lost your training question

1117
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,000
unfortunately no no no that's okay you

1118
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:14,960
answered it um

1119
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,400
just a couple quick questions on um

1120
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,160
you know because it's not so often i get

1121
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,319
to speak with someone like you so

1122
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,560
um excuse me if i'm asking too many

1123
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,160
questions and i don't want to come off

1124
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,040
route or anything um

1125
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,240
no no no before you guys here's my

1126
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,240
philosophy on it you're an american

1127
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,680
taxpayer

1128
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,520
you already paid for my time you pay

1129
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,079
taxes i am enjoying the benefit of

1130
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,440
retirement

1131
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,119
uh from the government because you paid

1132
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,880
your taxes and i was able to take my

1133
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,440
salary to set aside tax money

1134
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,480
so i'm here at uh

1135
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,560
as a supernova whatever you want you

1136
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,560
know whatever i can do for it

1137
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,359
very good breath of fresh air

1138
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,680
so yeah go ahead and ask your question

1139
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,000
um a couple things that a lot of people

1140
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,119
talk about uh and that are on minds of

1141
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,400
people um the princeton you know there's

1142
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,200
a lot of uh back and forth as far as the

1143
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,640
data

1144
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,119
and what's happened there and people

1145
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,560
coming mysterious people coming and

1146
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,480
taking the data bricks away

1147
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,920
um

1148
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,440
and then you had mentioned also

1149
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,960
something else

1150
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,720
that we haven't heard about that may

1151
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:26,240
have picked up something

1152
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,119
um

1153
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,720
would you mind going into that a little

1154
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,240
bit

1155
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,599
picked up

1156
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,280
so first of all the data bricks somebody

1157
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,200
came on the princeton i believe it was

1158
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:39,190
yes um

1159
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,240
uh

1160
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:41,280
i

1161
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,839
the they're the people that operate the

1162
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,000
aegis missile system including the radar

1163
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,680
and the missile itself

1164
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,400
and so it was on the uh a n slash spi

1165
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,760
one or spy one radar phased array radar

1166
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,839
and i

1167
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,040
finally got ahold of him thanks to a

1168
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,800
friend of mine

1169
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:08,000
and

1170
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,880
was very open to taking questions until

1171
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,960
he saw my questions

1172
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,040
and so one of the questions i asked was

1173
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:19,599
you know about the radar the data you

1174
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:20,319
know

1175
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,440
and uh particularly the uh

1176
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,400
electromagnetic data

1177
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,560
uh might have been collected because we

1178
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,880
we know that they have the uh the

1179
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,599
advanced technology flare data that's

1180
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,079
what tic tac videos and the other go

1181
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,640
fast and gimbal videos are about it's

1182
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,359
the ir data and i wanted to know if the

1183
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:42,000
princeton also collected electromagnetic

1184
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,280
emanations

1185
00:45:47,309 --> 00:45:45,440
uh from a piece of equipment called the

1186
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:47,319
an slash

1187
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,680
slq 32 or slick 32 it is a microwave

1188
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,800
receiver

1189
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,760
for the

1190
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,680
electronic countermeasure system onboard

1191
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,319
princeton so it can collect a lot of

1192
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,880
electromagnetic eliminations across a

1193
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,960
wide

1194
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:05,280
radio frequency band band

1195
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,319
bandwidth

1196
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,599
and i want to know if there was any of

1197
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,640
that data and he was not forthcoming at

1198
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,680
all

1199
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,760
but

1200
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,400
we learned from the book that uh mr

1201
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,920
axelrod uh according to the book and

1202
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,560
correct me if someone reads the book uh

1203
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,599
i read it at night uh not recommended

1204
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,760
yeah you literally told me not to do

1205
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,270
and uh but apparently uh axelrod mr

1206
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,960
axelrod uh

1207
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,560
was one of the people who boarded the

1208
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,040
princeton interview the navy personnel

1209
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,359
the crew members on board princeton and

1210
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,040
acquired the data

1211
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,800
and so i wanted to know if there was any

1212
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,119
electromagnetic data other than like

1213
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,119
what we see in the videos was there

1214
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,960
actual signals data

1215
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,560
right on there

1216
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,319
and i uh

1217
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,319
instead of like asking where the data

1218
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,640
went i told them where the data went

1219
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,359
so yeah mr axelrod may have collected it

1220
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,520
but who else might be interested in the

1221
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,520
data since it was collected by this

1222
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,680
countermeasures system onboard the

1223
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,440
princeton

1224
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,160
i offered that it's the office of naval

1225
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:13,760
research

1226
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,720
code

1227
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:16,640
31

1228
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,960
and the reason why i say that is because

1229
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,480
that part of the office of naval

1230
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,680
research is responsible for

1231
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,599
the electronic countermeasures

1232
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,760
capabilities of the us navy

1233
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,599
and so since it's their equipment that

1234
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,079
collected it they likely have the data

1235
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,960
as well that's right for a foia request

1236
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,880
if you know where to send your foias you

1237
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,200
might be surprised before you get it

1238
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,520
yeah there's a woman agency and they say

1239
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,200
oh we don't know anything about this

1240
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,640
it's because they're not responsible

1241
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,720
they're not going to volunteer oh we

1242
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,119
don't have it but look over there and

1243
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,480
you might ask our sister agency

1244
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,040
and so when you ask for data from uh an

1245
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,200
organization that's not responsible for

1246
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,440
the actual data uh they're gonna say we

1247
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,800
don't have it and people think there's a

1248
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,880
cover-up well the cover-up is not

1249
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,079
knowing

1250
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,200
and if you tailor that foi request

1251
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,000
to where you want to work of the with

1252
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,559
the data you're asking for the type of

1253
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,720
data you might get a response

1254
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,640
so someone out there john greenwood

1255
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,200
greenwald please ask the onr if they

1256
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,160
have slippery data from the princeton uh

1257
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,240
related to tic tac and all the other

1258
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,800
naval encounters that we have we've

1259
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,400
known about

1260
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,280
yeah that i hope he does if not maybe i

1261
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,200
will who knows

1262
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,880
so um

1263
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,480
you might not have any thoughts on this

1264
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,119
but uh uh jeremy corbell company

1265
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,440
released a few videos as well have you

1266
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:46,240
seen those the the pyramids and the the

1267
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,559
orb that went to the water right um yeah

1268
00:49:03,589 --> 00:48:51,760
i

1269
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,599
yeah well who's there you can allow that

1270
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,920
to occur and there is no photography

1271
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,920
inside the combat information center

1272
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,640
unless it's staged and usually you see

1273
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,319
pictures inside combat information

1274
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,720
center when it's staged

1275
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,800
and they put up some bogus uh you know

1276
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,319
screen display

1277
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,760
and there's a lot of those you can look

1278
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,520
up cic

1279
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,000
navy and uh you'll see all kinds of

1280
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,280
photographs

1281
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:27,280
um but i looked at that and i looked at

1282
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:28,160
the

1283
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:53,280
information on that screen

1284
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:56,960
it looked to be like a marine radar

1285
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,200
uh on that screen so

1286
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,520
i'm not going to dismiss it outright i

1287
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:03,680
don't think it's one of the uh navy

1288
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:06,400
radars i think it's a the

1289
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,000
all the ships have a raytheon branded

1290
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,319
marine radar the kind you can buy for

1291
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,079
your own personal boat

1292
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,400
um and the symbology on it looks very

1293
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,240
much like something like that

1294
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:20,400
um the other brand is

1295
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,839
furuno from runo yeah an italian radar

1296
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,319
it has symbology that is not consistent

1297
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:29,520
with navy tactical data symbology

1298
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,960
but and also i listened to the banter

1299
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,000
sure

1300
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,119
and that doesn't sound like cic banter i

1301
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,720
was accustomed to

1302
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,680
on board my destroyers i served on

1303
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,480
um it's just too much chatter there

1304
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,280
it's a very professional kind of banter

1305
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,680
the give and take between crew members

1306
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,359
ncic

1307
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:53,440
the combat information officer is in

1308
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,319
charge and he will not allow

1309
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:59,440
no self-respecting uh cico would allow

1310
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,559
you know like his crew and cic to just

1311
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,400
go crazy like that

1312
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,240
it would be very disciplined i didn't

1313
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,040
hear that but i don't dismiss it i don't

1314
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:11,839
dismiss it at all um so

1315
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:15,040
and the other thing about radar data um

1316
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,319
uh

1317
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,720
i'm going to address why people think

1318
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,839
that these craft can't be detected by

1319
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:23,440
radar these crash can be detected by

1320
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,040
radio yeah i know that radar returned

1321
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,599
the reason why that myth

1322
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,839
has occurred is because

1323
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,520
what's on the scope

1324
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:35,440
is not necessarily what the radar

1325
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,640
detected

1326
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:39,200
the scope operator will adjust the scope

1327
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:40,480
so that

1328
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,599
he or she can see contacts

1329
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,880
and in case of air traffic control radar

1330
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,040
or what they're seeing is the iff

1331
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,400
contact

1332
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,119
uh every plane will like broadcast i'm

1333
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,240
uh uh

1334
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,599
united lines heavy flight zone so so so

1335
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,319
and there'll be symbology uh showing

1336
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,559
where it's at where it's going

1337
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,960
and all the course and speed information

1338
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,160
altitude

1339
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,160
um and so that type of information will

1340
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,079
be on the radar scope

1341
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,800
um if you turn make adjustments so that

1342
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,480
you get rid of noise

1343
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:16,400
uh you're not gonna see

1344
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,440
anything

1345
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,520
uh that might um

1346
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,680
have some kind of what we call signature

1347
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,319
management that is controlling the radar

1348
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,880
cross section of of yourself so that you

1349
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:28,720
can't be seen by radar

1350
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:33,280
um so if they look at the raw radar data

1351
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,480
that was actually returned to the radar

1352
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,319
system on board the princetons for

1353
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,280
example the raw radar data would not

1354
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,440
have any of the operator interventions

1355
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:45,359
it would actually show what the radar

1356
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,119
has detected

1357
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,760
and that's the information that still i

1358
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,720
think is probably in those compartmented

1359
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:54,000
channels

1360
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,880
um

1361
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,680
of

1362
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,839
all sap and post all sap they still

1363
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,359
probably have it

1364
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,119
um that would be interesting to see but

1365
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,280
i mean it's not anything that we as

1366
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,040
civilians can look at and say yeah it

1367
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,880
makes sense out of this

1368
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,200
it takes a lot of special equipment to

1369
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:11,040
actually see the raw radar returns and

1370
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,559
make sense of it

1371
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,520
yeah

1372
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:15,440
um

1373
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:16,240
that's

1374
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,760
since

1375
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,400
the 50s there's been radar pickups on

1376
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,319
this stuff and it's kind of like the

1377
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,559
same thing creeping appearances they

1378
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,119
disappear when the plane gets up to it

1379
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,359
um or they're following it for long

1380
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,880
amounts of time

1381
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,920
um

1382
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,079
but it seems like they never

1383
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,319
the you know when i say they i mean you

1384
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,720
know the various things that

1385
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,760
are described it seems like they never

1386
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,359
um tried to

1387
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,359
you know attack or hurt

1388
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:49,920
um at least kinetically

1389
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,400
you know is that your experience as well

1390
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,319
or as far as you know

1391
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,960
as far as i know um that's not entirely

1392
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,359
true if we believe from skin walkers at

1393
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,640
the pentagon or apparently uh uh blue

1394
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,720
orbs are not good

1395
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,720
yeah right i'm thinking

1396
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:09,040
bad things will happen to your health

1397
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,880
um but in terms of like

1398
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,480
do they pose a

1399
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:15,760
threat

1400
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,960
that's interesting because um

1401
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:21,359
i think captain former us air force

1402
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,710
well anyway um

1403
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,520
he reported that at uh maelstrom we were

1404
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,160
stationed at maelstrom as a

1405
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,640
bliss missile launch officer

1406
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:49,359
uh 20 miles away from uh where the main

1407
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,680
event occurred uh he reported that

1408
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,079
the missiles were shut down

1409
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,640
right and so

1410
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,680
what i bring to the table is that um

1411
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,000
when people read that they think

1412
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,160
that the nukes were shut down the nukes

1413
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,200
were never shut down the missiles were

1414
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,760
rendered inoperable in terms of being

1415
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:13,520
able to launch

1416
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:16,960
and so a certain communications module

1417
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,000
uh was brought offline and when you're

1418
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:22,640
launching a minuteman ii missile

1419
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,920
from maelstrom back in the 60s

1420
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,240
you have to have a green board every

1421
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:30,400
system has to be green in order for that

1422
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,839
missile launch

1423
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,000
and the communications system known as

1424
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:36,640
the voice recording

1425
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,240
signals assembly there are 10 of them

1426
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,480
in a box because each one is associated

1427
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,200
with a certain missile uh each long

1428
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,240
launch control center has 10 missiles to

1429
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,200
watch and each one of them went offline

1430
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,520
rendering the missile unable to launch

1431
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:55,280
and that's what happened

1432
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:00,789
robert uh

1433
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,760
sals um launch control center which was

1434
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,079
like 20 miles away he was in something

1435
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,839
called um

1436
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,400
wing oscar and his wing oscar was

1437
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,119
stationed 20 miles away wing echo was

1438
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,760
the mostly affected with all 10. and so

1439
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,520
these things went offline not being in

1440
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,280
the launch but

1441
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,040
believe me

1442
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,079
if the nukes were rendered inoperable

1443
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:27,040
uh the entire base would have been shut

1444
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,920
down

1445
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,079
and an investigation would occur you

1446
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,240
know what happened the day after that

1447
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,760
incident on march 16th 19th

1448
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,160
uh well i know other bases got visited

1449
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,160
too like michigan's did too or something

1450
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,160
but something happened at maelstrom the

1451
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,200
day after that incident okay i do know

1452
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:47,040
one thousand

1453
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:51,280
was delivered to maelstrom with great

1454
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:52,720
ceremony

1455
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:56,960
wow on march the 17th 1967 they accepted

1456
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,000
the missile with great ceremony and it

1457
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,920
was as if nothing happened

1458
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,000
as interesting don't talk about anything

1459
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:06,960
that happened but now we have 1 000

1460
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:09,440
missiles of minuteman

1461
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:10,559
twos

1462
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,160
and also uh we had at that time 54 titan

1463
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,280
two missiles so the entire nuclear

1464
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,520
missile inventory was a thousand and

1465
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,319
fifty four one thousand minute man twos

1466
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:24,799
fifty four titan twos in fact right here

1467
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,400
in tucson uh we have the titan ii museum

1468
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:30,400
uh of one of the missile sites being

1469
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,000
preserved uh so 1 000 missiles and 54

1470
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:37,440
titan twos that's a lot of mega tonnage

1471
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,200
okay so this is 67 right and so

1472
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:43,359
let's pretend nothing happened

1473
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,030
ceremony

1474
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:51,040
bring up the uh base ban and we just

1475
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,230
um i believe a few months later

1476
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,880
i think it was in may of 67 that

1477
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,359
maelstrom actually formally accepted the

1478
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,799
missile into the silo and was

1479
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,920
operational

1480
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:07,760
so now we have um

1481
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:10,400
all of maelstrom's missiles operational

1482
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,200
okay 67. what happened in june of 67.

1483
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:17,280
lyndon banks johnson our president back

1484
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,799
then met with his counterpart kosigan

1485
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,040
who was the chairman of the communist

1486
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,440
party of the soviet union and they met

1487
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:28,559
at a place called glassboro new jersey

1488
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,960
and what lbj proposed to kossigan

1489
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,400
was that hey

1490
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,240
i think it's time that we look at our

1491
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:38,000
nucleus posture

1492
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,880
and

1493
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,760
um

1494
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,839
we need to reduce

1495
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,160
the possibility that we can get into a

1496
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:46,000
nuclear war because we have all these

1497
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,040
missiles

1498
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,839
let's start serious talks about limiting

1499
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,839
the number of missiles we have

1500
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,200
so

1501
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,119
march

1502
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,280
16th

1503
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:59,760
the event happened to shut down those uh

1504
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,880
missiles so they can't launch

1505
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,880
the next day they accepted one

1506
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,559
thousandth missile

1507
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,520
and then put it in place in may and then

1508
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:12,240
in june our president united states says

1509
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,359
i don't think we should have all these

1510
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,640
missiles

1511
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,720
don't think about that is that a message

1512
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,799
that was conveyed you know is that thank

1513
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,799
god it could be

1514
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,040
hey you know these kids these things can

1515
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,280
be shut down and that's something about

1516
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,640
shutting them down ourselves you know

1517
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,359
let's start reducing um yeah it's like

1518
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:31,040
you can build this up as much as you

1519
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:37,430
two now we're in start and we have a new

1520
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,720
start

1521
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,040
um and there's a whole i mean i could do

1522
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,200
another presentation on

1523
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:45,119
our strategic posture

1524
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:46,880
but i mean it's got to the point now

1525
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:52,549
the russians

1526
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,359
allow us to look at their missile data

1527
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:57,440
that's the result of everything that

1528
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:58,319
happened

1529
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,920
well the washingtons allow us to look at

1530
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,119
their missile data when they launch a

1531
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:03,680
missile up to five times per year five

1532
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:09,990
our lab

1533
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,599
and our missiles shot from vandenberg to

1534
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,000
the quadrant they told

1535
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:18,000
across the pacific

1536
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,599
five of

1537
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,839
data sets of our missiles can go to the

1538
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,400
russians and they analyze our missiles

1539
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,079
to make sure that we are complying with

1540
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,480
the start treaty also russians can

1541
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,960
investigate our missile sites we

1542
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:33,119
investigate their missile sites in

1543
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:34,559
person

1544
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:37,280
um and we have the point sure we count

1545
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:38,559
all the silence

1546
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,280
now

1547
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:41,440
all this could not have occurred in the

1548
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:42,559
cold war

1549
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,520
yeah

1550
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,680
think about what was revealed about

1551
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,440
shutting down our nuclear missiles and

1552
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,599
we now know that the russians also

1553
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,559
experienced similar types of events with

1554
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,799
their strategic rocket forces

1555
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,880
and so maybe that's a benefit that we

1556
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:59,440
had from our visitors

1557
01:01:01,589 --> 01:01:00,240
yeah

1558
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:01,599
you're doing something that's very

1559
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,280
dangerous don't do it

1560
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,280
yeah that's what robert says more or

1561
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,440
less he said i left with a clear message

1562
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,520
which was what are you people doing with

1563
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,960
this right what are you doing with all

1564
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:12,400
this yeah right

1565
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,280
um

1566
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,640
very yeah very interesting it's

1567
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:18,799
you know it there's a lot in life that

1568
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,200
happens sometimes where you don't really

1569
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,680
understand why it happened but it turns

1570
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,160
out for the best you know and maybe it's

1571
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:29,119
one of those types of situations

1572
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,079
but

1573
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:31,920
um

1574
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,400
man you've been great do you mind if

1575
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:35,920
the chat

1576
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,319
chat group asks you some questions or

1577
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,400
anything yeah okay

1578
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,200
i will let them ask you away uh

1579
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,799
but i should really

1580
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,040
i should really ask you this too

1581
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,960
um because i know you're very passionate

1582
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,480
about all of this and you've had your

1583
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,319
own experiences

1584
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:57,190
why don't you tell us what your con your

1585
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,079
speculative i guess uh conclusions are

1586
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,799
on all this or or what you think

1587
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,359
is happening um

1588
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,119
how you are looking at it and how you

1589
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:09,920
put these pieces together

1590
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,559
well my perspective is um don't

1591
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:14,799
concentrate just on the craft and the

1592
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:18,000
occupants the drivers of the craft

1593
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,520
uh concentrate on the message let's

1594
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,839
let's meditate on the message if you

1595
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:22,559
will

1596
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,599
what are they trying to say to us

1597
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:27,599
and they've appeared all throughout

1598
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,400
history and it seems like uh throughout

1599
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,319
history they've intervened

1600
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:34,720
with humanity in certain ways

1601
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,760
and i actually my personal belief i'm

1602
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,799
i'm a

1603
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:40,000
catholic

1604
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,990
from being a practice

1605
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,950
um

1606
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,200
it is my personal belief and here's

1607
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,440
where the woo factor comes in and here's

1608
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,520
where i get criticized by folks who just

1609
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:01,920
want to look at craft with

1610
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:04,240
extraterrestrial beings from planet x

1611
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,760
for example my personal belief is that

1612
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,839
we're the newcomers on the planet

1613
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:11,119
and there are other

1614
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:13,039
uh people on the planet that have been

1615
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,319
here before

1616
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,039
uh of higher consciousness of more

1617
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,079
advanced capabilities and um they

1618
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,680
themselves were

1619
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:22,799
seated

1620
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,920
for this

1621
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:25,920
the same time we were otherwise we would

1622
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,880
be like primates we would be like

1623
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,559
go to the zoo and you see bonnevilles

1624
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,880
chimpanzees and gorillas and all of our

1625
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:34,319
primate friends

1626
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,039
and realizing that the percentage of dna

1627
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,000
between me and uh standing looking at

1628
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:42,720
him and then me climbing up that tree

1629
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,839
um

1630
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:46,000
is very small

1631
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,039
it's like a

1632
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:48,720
in some fraction

1633
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:51,280
what happened that made us us you know

1634
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,400
look at that

1635
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,480
and so if you go back uh from a

1636
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,799
religious context from a western

1637
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:58,880
religious context you look at the bible

1638
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:01,440
from the abrahamic religions

1639
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,200
and we

1640
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,880
see that

1641
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:07,280
there was two forces

1642
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:08,240
and

1643
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:09,280
they both

1644
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,119
let us make man in our image right

1645
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,839
and they made us in our image okay so i

1646
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:17,839
interpret that as um

1647
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,039
dna intervention well yeah that was a

1648
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:23,119
wonderful piece of science fiction or

1649
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,799
like science fact and um so you have two

1650
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,559
you have

1651
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,960
these uh early

1652
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,480
people

1653
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,640
from advanced an advanced civilization

1654
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,480
who themselves may have been seen or may

1655
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,480
have come from another earth

1656
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,880
coming here seeing us primates and say

1657
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,880
let us make them like us

1658
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,400
and then you have one of them saying

1659
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:49,119
well let's really accelerate them really

1660
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,160
fast

1661
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,240
okay but wait wait a minute that's not

1662
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,880
in the program but they did it anyway

1663
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,880
and so that was a point of contention

1664
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:58,400
between these two

1665
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:01,359
but now we think that one is good and

1666
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:04,640
one is evil one is god and one is satan

1667
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,520
well suppose that

1668
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,599
what we're actually reading about in the

1669
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,440
bible are

1670
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:13,680
beings from elsewhere

1671
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,039
or from here

1672
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:17,039
that elevated us and there was a point

1673
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:18,799
of contention because some of us got

1674
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,400
elevated faster or more advanced

1675
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:24,960
well let's call them atlanteans for lack

1676
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,559
of a better term

1677
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:28,480
and maybe there were the ones that got

1678
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,880
cast out the fallen ones

1679
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:33,359
um we also look at genesis 6 and then we

1680
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:35,200
see that

1681
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:38,319
that uh you know the sons of god or like

1682
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:41,280
people from the sky

1683
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:43,839
not from earth saw the daughters of man

1684
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,799
to find them at uh uh fair and uh mated

1685
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:49,520
with him and created another race

1686
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,280
so um when i talk to uh fundamentalist

1687
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,960
christians about this

1688
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,480
and i ask them if they believe in

1689
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,160
extraterrestrials they absolutely just

1690
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,240
say no of course not

1691
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,920
no such thing

1692
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,760
but i ask them do you believe in the

1693
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,520
bible of course i do

1694
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,960
uh do you believe in angels do you

1695
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:09,200
believe in messages of messengers of god

1696
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:10,640
yes i do

1697
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:12,559
and of course i do well do you believe

1698
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,039
they're from earth no they're from

1699
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:17,440
outside of earth and i go yeah see you

1700
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,079
do believe in extraterrestrials

1701
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:22,559
and so you look at that and so that's

1702
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,039
where i see like

1703
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,200
uh where we originated and that they've

1704
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:29,680
always intervened to help us

1705
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,039
in some way and prevent us from

1706
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,880
destroying ourselves

1707
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:34,720
and um

1708
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,119
if you look at the immaculate conception

1709
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,200
uh if you read it from the

1710
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:41,280
ufology perspective

1711
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,319
uh what's to say that uh

1712
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,119
mary herself was taking the board

1713
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,069
and yeah

1714
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:53,920
and the thing happened

1715
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,480
and jesus who was a hybrid

1716
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,640
yeah because of you in heaven to make

1717
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,720
things happen you know you know it's

1718
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,920
funny that you say that because i've

1719
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,839
always thought and felt like i was

1720
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,079
raised non-denominational christian you

1721
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,160
know um and i

1722
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:10,160
and you see other religions and and

1723
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:11,680
everything and they have so much in

1724
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,000
common and there's always i always think

1725
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:15,839
like well what could make you right and

1726
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,319
them not you know how is that possible

1727
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,280
so i i was kind of wind up thinking like

1728
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,240
it all could exist it's

1729
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:26,880
just these labels and things we put on

1730
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,440
it that may not be very accurate right

1731
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,200
you know yeah

1732
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,119
really that's that's where i see

1733
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,119
the buddha and all these great religious

1734
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:37,440
leaders um um they may have had

1735
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,359
downloads themselves

1736
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,039
the prophets of old may have actually

1737
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:43,440
been channelers you know yeah we look at

1738
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:46,640
supernatural events that happen like the

1739
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,640
the early israelites uh in the exile

1740
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,160
going

1741
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,960
back toward canaan and having this cloud

1742
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:56,880
delivering them food

1743
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,079
and yeah

1744
01:08:01,510 --> 01:08:00,480
in this box so we can talk to you and oh

1745
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,520
by the way

1746
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,920
only priests can talk to us and yet they

1747
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,599
have to work according because if you

1748
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,359
touch it you're going to get zapped

1749
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,359
and you know and if you look at that um

1750
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:11,119
it seems like all throughout history

1751
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:13,119
humanity there's been interventions to

1752
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,640
keep us from destroying ourselves to

1753
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:15,920
advance us

1754
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,640
yeah before to 1945

1755
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:21,359
what did we do in july of 19th

1756
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,640
boom you know

1757
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:25,440
we put the first uh atomic bomb

1758
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:29,279
uh in the desert of new mexico and um so

1759
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:30,799
that's when the intervention really

1760
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,759
started these guys finally the kids have

1761
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:35,679
found the box of matches and they're

1762
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,159
lighting them and now we have to watch

1763
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,159
them on what they do and now they're in

1764
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,159
helping us to intervene the fact that

1765
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,920
we're destroying this planet and that's

1766
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,960
not good

1767
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,640
that we destroy this planet uh not

1768
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,560
taking care of it uh we have the

1769
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:50,000
capability of destroying ourselves

1770
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:53,359
deliberately yeah we do through ignoring

1771
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:58,950
checking our climate to make sure that

1772
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,440
our climate is not out of control

1773
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,319
our use of natural resources and also

1774
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,560
our nuclear capabilities of trying to

1775
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,400
reduce that so that's what i think is

1776
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,799
happening that intervention is happening

1777
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:12,799
in a very dramatic way now because we're

1778
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,560
at the crossroads

1779
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,719
and also that people are having

1780
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:19,199
experiences of higher consciousness

1781
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,640
i don't i don't discount channelers or

1782
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,040
experiencers i myself

1783
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,759
am an experiencer i don't discount that

1784
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:30,080
and in ufology we destroy ourselves by

1785
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,120
painting

1786
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,880
the nuts and bolts crowd

1787
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,440
with the channel you know

1788
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,600
i don't want that to happen because that

1789
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,600
plays into

1790
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,679
by the way a fashion

1791
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,839
government that think all of this is

1792
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,759
demonic

1793
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,159
and so that's interesting

1794
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,400
yeah tell me why you think it is they do

1795
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,319
think it is demonic do you have any sort

1796
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,960
of insight on that by chance

1797
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:57,120
i should probably get to these read uh

1798
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,880
the skin loss of pentagon because

1799
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:00,320
obviously there's

1800
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,960
i don't call it demonic i just think

1801
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,080
they're

1802
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,320
strangers who do not know how to

1803
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:08,239
interact with us and do so in a harmful

1804
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,040
way

1805
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,280
right that goes back to my philosophy of

1806
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:12,960
having residents

1807
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,840
who may be advanced atlanteans that are

1808
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,120
still on earth

1809
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:19,520
or uh inter-dimensional uh from another

1810
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,159
earth coming here who by the way might

1811
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:24,800
be saurian because on their earth that

1812
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,440
asteroid never destroyed the dinosaurs

1813
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:29,679
and they evolved wow that's an

1814
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,120
intelligent being

1815
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:34,159
we call scorians uh i think of visitors

1816
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:34,960
who

1817
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,440
might be from another world

1818
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:39,600
who have developed technology to

1819
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,640
traverse

1820
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,040
space and time to displace space and

1821
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,199
time through maybe a portal

1822
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,000
and also believe in strangers who

1823
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:50,000
are not sure how to deal with us and

1824
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,440
maybe that's what we're seeing as skin

1825
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,560
walker are these other manifestations of

1826
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,360
the phenomenon who don't quite know

1827
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,760
how to deal with this

1828
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,840
and let me interject something very

1829
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,600
interesting

1830
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,480
do you know melinda leslie i

1831
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,040
know every year do you know her okay um

1832
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,040
and she writes extensively about her

1833
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,960
experience with millaps the military

1834
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,239
abductions

1835
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:16,159
and she says something interesting in

1836
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,440
her talks

1837
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,679
and she said in her experience she has

1838
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,600
seen military personnel

1839
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,000
with sarian beings

1840
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,320
and the reason why people are being

1841
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,440
taken is to question them about whether

1842
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:31,280
they can understand

1843
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,400
um

1844
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,560
these advanced propulsion systems

1845
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,320
wow wait a minute wait a minute wait a

1846
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,040
minute if you have the sarians there

1847
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,520
and you think of them as et's right and

1848
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,840
you think of how they came here

1849
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,760
why can't the military just talk to them

1850
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,840
why are they

1851
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,159
people like us we the people

1852
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,400
yeah trying to find out

1853
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,679
how this magnificent piece of

1854
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,360
engineering works

1855
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,120
this advanced propulsion system just

1856
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,800
asked the sarians why are the scientists

1857
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,280
there i try to contact melinda leslie

1858
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:05,840
and i haven't she's in sedona and i'll

1859
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,239
be visiting sedona in january and i hope

1860
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,080
you have a doctor i never hope that you

1861
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,800
can ask her that if you think uh you

1862
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,800
know you're being taken because you're

1863
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,120
there to uh help

1864
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,640
the government understand how to fly

1865
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:20,480
these things and the sarians are there

1866
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,930
why can't they fly right i don't know

1867
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,880
[Laughter]

1868
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,719
i'm trying to go to new mexico on my

1869
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:28,719
birthday in february so maybe i'll see

1870
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,159
you

1871
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,560
i'm just free flowing just stream of

1872
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:33,600
consciousness i don't know if i'm

1873
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,440
answering your question or not no you're

1874
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,120
doing it you're doing great if i'm not

1875
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,600
answering your questions no you are no i

1876
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,000
just said uh i'm trying to go

1877
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,239
um to the southwest

1878
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:46,080
um in february on a vacation for my

1879
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,679
birthday so

1880
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,120
maybe i'll maybe i'll check you out

1881
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:50,960
there in melinda

1882
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,080
yeah um this is a good question uh but

1883
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,679
maybe you answered it

1884
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,520
do you think that anything has been

1885
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,600
reverse engineered or i'll even add in

1886
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,440
there recovered

1887
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,800
um

1888
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,880
that's the question i personally do not

1889
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:05,840
know

1890
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,560
and so i just gotta give you speculation

1891
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,400
if um

1892
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:12,400
i do believe

1893
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,159
that roswell happened for sure

1894
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,800
and i do believe that this metallic

1895
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,159
craft

1896
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,719
was taken to wright-patterson air force

1897
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:23,920
base

1898
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:27,520
to t2 intelligence at the time

1899
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,719
and

1900
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:31,440
reverse engineering means taking a

1901
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,719
craft

1902
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,880
and trying to determine how it works and

1903
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:36,880
reproducing it

1904
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,679
i don't know if that's happened

1905
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,679
because i have no direct information

1906
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,800
about that

1907
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,880
right i want to make that clear

1908
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,880
but it's my personal belief that it has

1909
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:48,159
there's some

1910
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:51,199
kind of technology transfer going on

1911
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,960
in my presentation

1912
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:55,280
i built a bridge

1913
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:56,080
that

1914
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,199
in fact i

1915
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,600
discussed this with don schmidt

1916
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,320
and he doesn't buy it at all

1917
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,640
but i discuss this with don schmidt and

1918
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,920
say you know

1919
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:07,440
uh it's a fact

1920
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,800
that um

1921
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:11,440
during before world war ii

1922
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:14,880
uh the nazi party the ss had a special

1923
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,159
group to go out and find artifacts

1924
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,640
to make contact with atlanteans because

1925
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:21,840
they believe

1926
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,320
that the aryan race was a manifestation

1927
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,960
of the atlantean race

1928
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,480
which they described

1929
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,080
as nordics

1930
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,080
and they went all over the world

1931
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,400
and looking for artifacts or some

1932
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,480
evidence that atlanteans exist they went

1933
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,320
to antarctica

1934
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,480
or they went to tibet and they talked to

1935
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:42,560
the taipei and buddhist

1936
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,440
and

1937
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:46,320
in my presentation i have a photograph

1938
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:50,000
that i found of ss officers with tibetan

1939
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,360
monks and lhasa in 1938

1940
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:55,199
and it was all part of like finding

1941
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,560
these artifacts

1942
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,400
finding the sphere of destiny all of

1943
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,440
that which we see in indiana jones yeah

1944
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:03,360
was not fiction i mean there was a group

1945
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:04,400
like that

1946
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,800
now in 1945

1947
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,920
um

1948
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:08,800
the

1949
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:12,239
after we defeated germany militarily

1950
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:13,120
um

1951
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:14,000
we

1952
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:15,199
wanted to know

1953
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:16,719
first of all where all these scientists

1954
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,000
were and we wanted to extract any kind

1955
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:22,080
of german technology that may have been

1956
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,920
worked on we knew that they had a v1

1957
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:25,920
rocket which was a cruise missile and a

1958
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:29,040
v2 a real ballistic missile as [\h__\h] and

1959
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:30,480
also

1960
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:34,560
that didn't fly yeah and so um so

1961
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,679
what uh what we did was we created an

1962
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,560
organization called the j-i-o-a

1963
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:41,840
the joint

1964
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:42,880
uh

1965
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,149
operations activity and i have to look

1966
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,960
that up it's in my notes but it's

1967
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:53,520
a j-i-o-a that was created in may of

1968
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,719
1945 the war ended germany surrendered

1969
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:58,880
may 7 1945

1970
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,600
and shortly thereafter j-i-o-a was

1971
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:02,560
created

1972
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:05,040
and they went out to uh

1973
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:07,840
who who did they consult

1974
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,870
you know who guarded the nazi war

1975
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:16,880
criminals and nuremberg

1976
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,360
ss we recruited three divisions of ss

1977
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,239
from the baltic states the 15th 19th and

1978
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,440
20th ss waffen ss divisions their troops

1979
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,440
we gave them american uniforms to say

1980
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:31,679
hey guard your former masters and they

1981
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,480
did

1982
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,440
and so the ss offices the nazi party

1983
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,760
officials who knew about this program

1984
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,760
started providing us with archived

1985
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:41,920
information of what they knew

1986
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:44,080
and so that was in the american hands

1987
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:45,360
and they they're the ones that

1988
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,360
recommended hey by the way

1989
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,120
you might want our rocket scientists

1990
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,440
before the russians get our get your

1991
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,800
rocket scientist

1992
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:55,040
and here's where they are and so and

1993
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,040
they helped build their space program

1994
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,229
and so you know and so the first rocket

1995
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:04,719
scientist came over in uh the fall of

1996
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,600
1945.

1997
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:10,560
in january of 1946 with all this

1998
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,679
information being digested by the uh by

1999
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:15,120
the us

2000
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:18,080
uh truman decided and it was advised

2001
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:21,679
that he should create some form of

2002
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,320
way to secure this information to

2003
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:26,320
protect it from being disclosed

2004
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,239
so in january 1946 he he created the

2005
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:32,719
national intelligence authority

2006
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,400
and under that he created an

2007
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,239
organization called the central

2008
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,400
intelligence group

2009
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,159
cig

2010
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:42,960
and this was between the oss of world

2011
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,880
war ii and the cia of 1946

2012
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:48,320
1947

2013
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,199
so in between there there was the cig

2014
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:53,840
and the cig was responsible for

2015
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:57,199
analyzing all of this information

2016
01:18:03,189 --> 01:17:59,440
and thinking that you know some of that

2017
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:03,199
data was actually materials acquired

2018
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,320
who's to say that we have the only

2019
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:08,719
industrial base in the world

2020
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,560
everybody else's industrial base was

2021
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,560
bombed to smithereens but the united

2022
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:15,199
states industrial base was strong

2023
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,159
we just came out of a war um with all of

2024
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:20,239
these companies building more materials

2025
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,199
and so

2026
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:22,880
they were like the real defense

2027
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:24,880
contractors of the day you know

2028
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:28,640
yeah who's to say that we saw like my

2029
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,000
gosh there's the glocken

2030
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:34,800
that that the the salsa shake won the

2031
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:38,800
hot of it uh the important ho2 yes

2032
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,080
yeah that's actually

2033
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,640
i told you about this book

2034
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,000
um

2035
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,679
a friend of mine graham wrote it

2036
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:48,719
actually

2037
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:49,679
it's

2038
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:53,760
probably the best account of the pre

2039
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,080
um ufos

2040
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,000
out there

2041
01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:00,719
and he yeah yes he's got that in here i

2042
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,840
was just going to show you the picture

2043
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,679
but you know what it is it's the horton

2044
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:05,679
yeah yeah

2045
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,239
it's got all other stuff in here yeah

2046
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,760
what does that remind you of it looks

2047
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:12,239
like every stealth aircraft we are built

2048
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,840
it yeah it does

2049
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,480
it sure does yeah i had highly recommend

2050
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:18,480
this though you'll like it

2051
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,440
so uh with that narrative um certainly

2052
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:24,000
i'm sure that there were

2053
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,600
exploitation done

2054
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:27,360
and i'm going to introduce a new term

2055
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:31,520
that ufologists need to know it's f m a

2056
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:32,320
e

2057
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,719
and so

2058
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,719
it depends on what kind of foreign

2059
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:42,400
material you have

2060
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:47,990
office of naval intelligence will look

2061
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,560
at anything that's navy and i have

2062
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:52,080
strange things happening on my screen

2063
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:53,600
now

2064
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:56,000
oh boy

2065
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:57,280
hey have you ever heard of the watch

2066
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,480
committee

2067
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,320
no

2068
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:02,640
interesting

2069
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,600
i've not heard of the watch committee

2070
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,159
so yeah fa may you know there is a

2071
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:11,040
program to acquire foreign materials and

2072
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,040
exploit them find out how they work and

2073
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:15,679
to reproduce them and that's applicable

2074
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:18,239
to terrestrial weapons systems if we get

2075
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,760
an aircraft from the soviet union uh

2076
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:24,080
we're going to figure out how it works

2077
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,280
i'm going to take it apart and figure

2078
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:27,840
out how it works we're going to fly

2079
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:30,400
so who's to say that there was some

2080
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:34,639
some effort by the by the military side

2081
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:36,080
to do the same

2082
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,880
um

2083
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:38,800
look at that there's the plans for the

2084
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:41,600
glockett let's see we can build one

2085
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:42,560
um

2086
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:43,440
so

2087
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,040
this day it's secret think about this

2088
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,360
the government will talk about orbs now

2089
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:53,040
all day long and we'll talk about

2090
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,920
metallic craft cylindrical shape uh

2091
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,840
we'll talk about salsa shapes and all

2092
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:59,600
that right they will reveal all that

2093
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,159
it's all in that book you know it's been

2094
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,400
revealed but if you ask the government

2095
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:06,400
about roswell you know what you get

2096
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:09,199
crickets nothing yeah clients why is

2097
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:10,000
that

2098
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:15,280
speculation but i don't know why and i

2099
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,719
think it's because

2100
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:19,120
there was some nazi intervention

2101
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,520
uh in the uh the craft that

2102
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,080
was brought down or crashed i mean what

2103
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,639
makes an advanced craft crash

2104
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:30,800
yeah the only thing i could think of is

2105
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,840
it's some sort of controlled um

2106
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,600
like event you know because there's so

2107
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:37,199
many different things that happen so

2108
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,719
rather than people branching out and

2109
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,719
going into these different events let's

2110
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,120
just keep everything on roswell biking

2111
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,280
you know every few years well something

2112
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:47,120
new comes up about it so you have this

2113
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,800
controlled experience

2114
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,320
it keeps people's attention that's the

2115
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,320
only thing i could think of but

2116
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:55,199
yeah and i i i just think that that i

2117
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,560
think

2118
01:22:03,270 --> 01:21:58,639
again informed speculation and this is

2119
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,070
i i think i personally believe

2120
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,480
that um

2121
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:11,199
that we reproduced

2122
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,320
the german designs based on something

2123
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,480
they learned from whoever they

2124
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,320
interacted with

2125
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,560
let's call them atlanteans for the lack

2126
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:22,080
of a better term

2127
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:24,320
and that these events craft were built

2128
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,480
by the us and flown

2129
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,199
and flown around where there was a radar

2130
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,280
system and i know the radar system that

2131
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:33,199
was in new mexico at the time of white

2132
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:34,320
sands

2133
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,000
um and it's also associated with b-29s

2134
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,159
which guess what where's that roswell

2135
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:42,159
this radar system on the ground

2136
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,840
and that this radar system has something

2137
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,400
to do with causing instability in the

2138
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:48,960
propulsion system of this craft

2139
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:51,360
because uh we can't bring down crack now

2140
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:52,880
i mean you can shine all the radars you

2141
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:55,840
want at tic-tac and you know that

2142
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,639
are we we could what about a emp we

2143
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:03,510
exactly yeah it could be any of that i

2144
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,239
mean there are emp generators

2145
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:08,800
you can produce an emp

2146
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:11,120
um so that's my personal speculation

2147
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,320
that

2148
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,880
roswell um

2149
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,320
may not be

2150
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,239
as extraterrestrial

2151
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,560
as we think but the occupants of the

2152
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,239
craft

2153
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,159
may be

2154
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,400
from elsewhere

2155
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,400
maybe from earth

2156
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,840
on another earth

2157
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,159
and that the nazis actually knew about

2158
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:35,040
them and the fact that we have that is

2159
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:35,760
why

2160
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,360
it was covered up

2161
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:39,679
otherwise if you find a spacecraft from

2162
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:42,239
another world crashing in your desert

2163
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:43,120
um

2164
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,880
the government with response will be

2165
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,880
well let's get the academics let's get

2166
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,639
our engineers and scientists on it you

2167
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,480
know we've been more on the academic

2168
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,480
side and not on the military

2169
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,199
intelligence side of the equation

2170
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,280
keeping in mind that there was a central

2171
01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:59,760
intelligence group operating and what

2172
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:01,920
happened three weeks later we created

2173
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:04,239
the central intelligence agency and we

2174
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,760
created a department of defense we

2175
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,679
created the u.s air force

2176
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,560
and we created what we now call the

2177
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:12,480
national security

2178
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,600
state

2179
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,760
at that point

2180
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,920
you know it's interesting

2181
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,120
if you look at the um ufo sightings of

2182
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:24,000
you know 48 49 50

2183
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:26,080
um they're primarily

2184
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,480
around what uh los alamos white sands

2185
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,719
uh san diego base

2186
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,880
or a laboratory um

2187
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:36,239
and then um

2188
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,800
wright patterson air force base

2189
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,040
that the big clusters are right there

2190
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,679
yeah so you're really yeah who knows

2191
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,199
yeah it's a clustering of these

2192
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:47,360
sightings um

2193
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:48,719
so

2194
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:50,080
uh

2195
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,629
if you did you'd tell me though right

2196
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,239
you know

2197
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,960
the beauty of being a cia is that you

2198
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,560
get the background information and you

2199
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,320
know how to analyze things

2200
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,880
and you get bits and pieces of things

2201
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:11,360
but i when you don't get rid into it

2202
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:13,360
you're free to express those bits and

2203
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,520
pieces in a speculative way

2204
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,199
and let the audience judge whether or

2205
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:19,679
not it's blowing smoke or there's some

2206
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,159
modicum of truth in there

2207
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,000
i always tell people

2208
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,360
underlying every conspiracy theory

2209
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,440
are hidden truths waiting to be

2210
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,639
discovered

2211
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,560
right and so i that's the way i approach

2212
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,600
in the entire ufology field

2213
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:37,360
have you ever heard of the collins elite

2214
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:41,120
by chance uh yes i have um what do you

2215
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:42,960
think um something like that still

2216
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:47,120
exists and is uh opposed to disclosure

2217
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,639
uh

2218
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:50,880
i would say this that i i know that

2219
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,239
there is a group uh in the government i

2220
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:56,080
won't place them anywhere i don't know

2221
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,159
if they're ic or or pentagon or a

2222
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,760
combination of the two but they're

2223
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,679
highly placed individuals

2224
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,000
who believe that everything

2225
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:06,719
in the ufology

2226
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:08,560
is a manifestation

2227
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:11,920
of satanic or demonic forces

2228
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,000
and that we should not be playing around

2229
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,320
with this

2230
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,199
my fear is that the skinwalkers of the

2231
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:21,040
pentagon book

2232
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:27,350
because it's all about these unusual

2233
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,800
paranormal experiences that are harmful

2234
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,199
now being harmful does not mean demonic

2235
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:35,040
but i'm sure they would interpret it as

2236
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:36,800
such

2237
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:40,159
i was disclosed this much

2238
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:44,080
when i said my presentation the cia or

2239
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:45,600
approval

2240
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,360
what they did was they looked at it from

2241
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,280
the standpoint is there anything

2242
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,440
unclassified about it

2243
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:52,960
and they

2244
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:55,520
did not make the final determination

2245
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,400
they

2246
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:58,159
bumped it up the chain

2247
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:01,440
uh up to a group in the government who

2248
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:02,719
deals with

2249
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:05,679
this entire issue

2250
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,159
post asap all sound

2251
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,320
and they looked at it and they said this

2252
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,520
looks good

2253
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:13,440
tell the guy

2254
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:20,390
and so they they are aware of what i

2255
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:21,920
wrote in it

2256
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,719
and

2257
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,679
um

2258
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,600
and i can't reveal who i had the

2259
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,000
conversation with because i can't reveal

2260
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,639
that name i have no permission to do so

2261
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:32,719
sure i can reveal the fact of that there

2262
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,639
was a conversation between me and an

2263
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:36,320
individual

2264
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,760
will be encountering people who oppose

2265
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:42,719
you

2266
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:45,040
because they feel that way that what

2267
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,560
you're doing is bringing to light

2268
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,960
uh in a positive way things they they

2269
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:52,960
feel should be looked at in a negative

2270
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:54,159
way

2271
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,880
so

2272
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:56,880
i don't know the name of it but collins

2273
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,199
lead comes up and so okay well it's

2274
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,280
calling the commons elite but they are

2275
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:03,199
people who don't do believe that and

2276
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:04,560
adhere to that

2277
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,760
so do you find that the uh wilson davis

2278
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:10,080
notes are accurate i'm glad you've

2279
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:11,360
mentioned that

2280
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:12,639
um

2281
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:15,040
by the way i think jay's gonna be very

2282
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,080
hurt

2283
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,560
he was trying to have a uh uh it's a

2284
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:20,080
similar type of interview and he was

2285
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:21,280
gonna ask me that

2286
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:29,189
so let me talk about that

2287
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,430
how i know

2288
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:37,679
not particularly about that

2289
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:41,280
again i don't have permission from eric

2290
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:42,880
w davis

2291
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:45,760
to know why i know about him he doesn't

2292
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,800
know i know as much about him as i do

2293
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:50,639
there are a lot of cia officers who know

2294
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,239
about him

2295
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:54,480
and he knows about some of those cia

2296
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:55,520
officers

2297
01:29:02,950 --> 01:28:58,960
in the context but not me and that's all

2298
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:02,960
i can say but let's let's say that uh

2299
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:06,560
i had i was privy to his resume

2300
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:08,159
and i'll put it at that and that's all

2301
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,920
i'm gonna say say

2302
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:10,800
so

2303
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,719
trustable highly respected physicist

2304
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,560
right i know what he did for the air

2305
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,320
force research labs

2306
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,320
now i'll say that

2307
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:24,719
now having said that i wish i can get

2308
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:27,679
his permission to tell the world how i

2309
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,719
know about him and the time context of

2310
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:32,960
when i found out about him because it

2311
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,840
makes the discussion very interesting

2312
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:37,600
pre all set

2313
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,400
let's go from there now

2314
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:42,400
here's the director of the defense

2315
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:44,880
intelligence agency admiral wilson right

2316
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,600
and you think oh dia guy you know he

2317
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:50,080
must know everything

2318
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:51,040
but

2319
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,400
we learned from

2320
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:54,560
the notes from eric davis

2321
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,239
that he seemed to have fact of knowledge

2322
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,239
that these programs existed

2323
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:02,719
what he wanted was to be read into the

2324
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:05,760
actual program itself all these programs

2325
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:08,159
and he was denied that

2326
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:10,000
and so could that be

2327
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,520
is that possible

2328
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,080
yes it can be possible when i look

2329
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,560
through the uh notes i notice a few

2330
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:18,560
names that i recognized

2331
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:21,280
and these were officers

2332
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:23,120
in the

2333
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:26,080
association of former intelligence

2334
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,629
full disclosure i'm also a member

2335
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:36,960
john alexander is a member a lot of us

2336
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,120
so-called ex-spooks and i use that term

2337
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:41,760
affectionately and not

2338
01:30:46,709 --> 01:30:43,600
not in a derogative sense a lot of us

2339
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:46,719
are members of this organization okay um

2340
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,120
and he they he mentioned two of those

2341
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:52,080
individuals who are in the las vegas

2342
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,239
chapter of that organization

2343
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,639
okay and they're the ones that made it

2344
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,360
possible for admiral wilson and eric

2345
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,679
davis to meet so that's one point of

2346
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:03,199
validity there

2347
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:06,560
uh they met at an office for e b and g

2348
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:09,120
and e g is the uh

2349
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:12,080
what i call the uh o m or operations and

2350
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:13,840
maintenance contractor

2351
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:15,280
uh they're the ones that supply the

2352
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:17,760
black helicopters and fly them

2353
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:19,760
uh they're the ones that guard

2354
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,239
the facility in area 51 and guard all

2355
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:24,480
facilities like that

2356
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:26,880
um they're the camo dudes that you hear

2357
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:29,280
about they're all e g contractors and

2358
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,920
they met in that office

2359
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:33,760
in las vegas

2360
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:35,360
right um

2361
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:37,920
so that part is true right and so the

2362
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:40,159
information was that here's admiral

2363
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,719
wilson trying to get information about a

2364
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:44,400
program that he was not

2365
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,639
by pentagon officials

2366
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:48,000
how can that be

2367
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,280
well just because you have a position

2368
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,440
and flagged rank like an admiral in a

2369
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,520
position like director dia does not

2370
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:57,600
entitle you to be read into

2371
01:32:01,669 --> 01:32:00,560
some of these special access programs

2372
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:01,679
because

2373
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:03,280
there's a law

2374
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:06,719
that regulates special access programs

2375
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,239
and it's title 10

2376
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:10,159
section 119.

2377
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,639
if you look up title section 119 in the

2378
01:32:16,149 --> 01:32:13,920
us code

2379
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:16,159
you will read what governs the special

2380
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:18,480
access program people say oh these are

2381
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:21,679
rogue illegal programs i disagree with

2382
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:23,199
the rogue

2383
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,400
because the u.s law allows

2384
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:29,280
that type of program to exist

2385
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:32,320
i i do disagree with i do agree that it

2386
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:34,320
might be illegal

2387
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:37,199
uh in the sense that um it's legal in

2388
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,719
the sense that there's a law but just

2389
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:40,480
because there's a law of the land does

2390
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:43,040
not make it constitutional no one's ever

2391
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:44,719
challenged

2392
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:47,600
title 10 section 119

2393
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,120
and that's something for danny sheehan

2394
01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:51,840
to do because he's a lawyer

2395
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:53,840
case is in the supreme court but that

2396
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:55,199
allows

2397
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,199
what we call carve outs

2398
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:59,520
in special access programs

2399
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:01,679
so that the program managers can

2400
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:02,960
actually

2401
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:05,840
manage who's read in and who's not

2402
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:07,760
it's up to them

2403
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:10,400
the people that admiral mills wilson met

2404
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:11,360
with

2405
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:13,600
are real people and they're like the

2406
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:15,760
under secretary of defense for atl or

2407
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:18,400
acquisition technology logistics

2408
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:23,040
atl uh is responsible for developing all

2409
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:24,880
new technologies for the department of

2410
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,520
defense acquiring and developing those

2411
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:29,760
technologies and delivering the

2412
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:31,600
resources to build those technologies

2413
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:33,120
and that's where the logistics part

2414
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:34,320
comes in

2415
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,880
and also the under secretary of defense

2416
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:38,960
for intelligence and i believe at the

2417
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:42,080
time there was another letter uh s

2418
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,800
usd is i think it's just i now it used

2419
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:47,040
to be intelligence and security

2420
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,960
and so they were there

2421
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:50,800
as well as the

2422
01:33:56,149 --> 01:33:53,600
sap control officer was there

2423
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:56,159
and that group

2424
01:33:58,950 --> 01:33:58,000
determines who's right in and they said

2425
01:34:03,270 --> 01:33:58,960
no

2426
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:03,280
and that's all you need to do

2427
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:05,600
to know to do your job you can't get

2428
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:07,040
this

2429
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:08,239
and so

2430
01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:13,760
my experience with this is and i put

2431
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,679
this in my presentation

2432
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,280
um

2433
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:19,679
the united states of america

2434
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:21,600
and put this in the context of where we

2435
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:23,600
are with china today

2436
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:25,360
post trump

2437
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:27,360
the united states of america since the

2438
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:28,960
carter administration

2439
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:31,280
with the people's republic of china has

2440
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,920
had a close and enduring relationship

2441
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:35,840
exchanging military information and

2442
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:37,120
intelligence

2443
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,280
and here we are the united states

2444
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:41,600
trading sensitive information with the

2445
01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:42,800
chinese

2446
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,719
yeah

2447
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:46,560
and we built

2448
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:47,840
in china

2449
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:50,639
miniature versions of pine gap

2450
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:52,239
all over china

2451
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:53,920
explain what that is

2452
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:56,400
pine gap is that um

2453
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:00,719
nro facility in outer space

2454
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,199
it's there are three in a row facilities

2455
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:06,000
that are major for the collection of

2456
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:07,920
space-based intelligence

2457
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:11,600
pine gap in alice springs australia

2458
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,040
in england it's with hill

2459
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,360
uh i believe it's near leeds or

2460
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:19,199
yorkshire that's something that jay

2461
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:21,119
would know about

2462
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,560
men with hill he would know all about

2463
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:24,960
minimum hill it's a huge facility

2464
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,400
and denver

2465
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:28,800
uh in a place called of all things

2466
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:30,719
aurora california

2467
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:34,400
or i'm sorry aurora colorado

2468
01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:37,600
uh so these are big facilities uh big

2469
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,719
golf balls radars if you fly into the

2470
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:42,719
denver international airport

2471
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:44,400
and coming from the south

2472
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:47,600
into that and if you are sitting on the

2473
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,159
left side the port side of the aircraft

2474
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,080
and you look out before you land you'll

2475
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:54,719
see a base called buckley buckley air

2476
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:56,480
force base

2477
01:36:02,870 --> 01:35:59,840
and in there you'll see big white domes

2478
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:02,880
that is the major collection facility

2479
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:04,800
for the united states of america that's

2480
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,960
where all the satellite data goes and

2481
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,880
that was in a memo

2482
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:11,199
released by the dni

2483
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:12,320
um

2484
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,159
at the time to say we're going to

2485
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:16,880
unclassify the existence of the fact of

2486
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,199
that the inner oil has facilities at

2487
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,760
these three places and more

2488
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,280
wow so

2489
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:25,360
we built something like that

2490
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:27,199
uh like pine gap

2491
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,560
uh in china

2492
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,880
smaller versions of pine gap

2493
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:32,480
right and uh

2494
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:34,480
so

2495
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:37,199
here we have in china this program

2496
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:41,280
it was a controlled access program cap

2497
01:36:47,030 --> 01:36:45,280
that is a cia version of a sap sap

2498
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:47,040
controlled access program is just

2499
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:49,280
similar you have a control officer you

2500
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,480
have security protocols related to

2501
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:54,400
that program and who can be read and who

2502
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:57,199
cannot be read in

2503
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:58,400
so

2504
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,360
as this program was commencing i was one

2505
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:03,520
of the people that went over to china to

2506
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,080
train my counterparts in the people's

2507
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,560
liberation army think of it as cia

2508
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,159
officer training

2509
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:12,480
chinese intelligence officers and how to

2510
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:15,280
use equipment that we built for them

2511
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:16,159
yeah

2512
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:17,199
of the art

2513
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:18,000
we

2514
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,080
couldn't imagine that considering uh the

2515
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,880
times now that's for sure yeah and so

2516
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,560
i'm going with this is that before this

2517
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:26,639
program is extremely sensitive

2518
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:28,960
um further along the program

2519
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:32,000
uh i became the guy stuck with a bigot

2520
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,040
list

2521
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:35,280
essentially i became the cap control

2522
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:36,480
officer

2523
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:39,600
and the office that ran this program uh

2524
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,320
said hey you're red that's that

2525
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:44,320
and here it is here's a bigger list and

2526
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,800
so oh okay so i was in this program for

2527
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:48,719
a long time and so i looked through this

2528
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,719
oh my gosh

2529
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:52,400
president president yeah secretary of

2530
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:55,360
state defense secretary

2531
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,960
uh dernsa uh dir nsa dernsa is what we

2532
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:01,040
call the director of nationals

2533
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:03,199
national security agency

2534
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:06,320
okay there's some nsa guys yeah yeah cia

2535
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:09,199
guys contractors okay guess who i didn't

2536
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:10,560
see

2537
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:13,199
director of dia

2538
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:18,629
i don't know

2539
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,400
at that level these are the program

2540
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,320
these are the people who actually knew

2541
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:24,000
about the program at a very high

2542
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:26,239
position in the government and those

2543
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:27,920
lower and the lower pay rates like

2544
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:29,600
myself who actually traveled for the

2545
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:32,239
program to execute the program and no

2546
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:34,719
sibling list and a director of dia i

2547
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:37,840
don't recall any dia officers in there

2548
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,159
in fact i would challenge james mccatsky

2549
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:42,000
if he knew about the fact that he's a

2550
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:43,920
ballistic missile analyst guess what you

2551
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,679
didn't get all the data

2552
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:47,360
yeah hey

2553
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:50,320
a lot of good good data from the ground

2554
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:53,440
uh and you got the uh other kinds of

2555
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,239
data from space but we got really

2556
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:58,239
because we were right there on the

2557
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:01,840
border uh looking into where these uh

2558
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,000
russian missiles uh

2559
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:06,400
impacted and we collected all their data

2560
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:09,679
and so that fact was a one-time

2561
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:12,400
extremely tightly controlled

2562
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:13,840
cap

2563
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:16,719
and the dia director was not on it

2564
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,119
so that's why i think you know yeah sure

2565
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,360
the di director might not be in this

2566
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:23,360
other program about the exploitation of

2567
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:24,560
crap

2568
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:27,600
right yeah that makes complete sense

2569
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:30,080
that's really i call it going to the

2570
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:30,880
edge

2571
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,280
of what cio allow me to say

2572
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:35,679
but i referenced that slide with

2573
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:41,109
you're amazing a little bit more about

2574
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,159
that

2575
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:44,400
one of the sensors uh well i don't know

2576
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,880
if i can talk about the sensor yeah okay

2577
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:49,440
uh so there was this

2578
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:52,719
known as the uh dome of light phenomenon

2579
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:55,600
oh and uh when the russians would launch

2580
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,840
a certain class of missile

2581
01:40:03,030 --> 01:39:59,840
um all of a sudden they were surrounded

2582
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:05,750
it was a light warps

2583
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:07,440
dismissal um

2584
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:09,440
here comes these orbs

2585
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,400
wow um and so we knew about these boards

2586
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:14,080
and so

2587
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:16,960
you can imagine if uh these missiles and

2588
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,800
i will name the missile is the ss20

2589
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:22,800
nato calls it sable

2590
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:25,840
the russians call it the rsd-10

2591
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:27,440
if you want to see one go to the air and

2592
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,280
space museum in washington dc and

2593
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:31,920
there's one right there that you can see

2594
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:33,600
it's an intermediate range ballistic

2595
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,239
missile that through treaty uh was

2596
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,560
eliminated from the russian inventory

2597
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:40,080
and we took our

2598
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:41,520
pershing missiles

2599
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,960
out of europe in response as a counter

2600
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:46,000
as a

2601
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,560
a counterpart and so

2602
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:50,960
that missile uh had these stones of

2603
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:51,760
light

2604
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,400
and so you betcha we we would be

2605
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,320
interested in that and that we would

2606
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,960
like brief the chinese on why we put

2607
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,199
this special sensor to look at these

2608
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:03,360
storms of light

2609
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:08,790
and guess what in china there's a ufo

2610
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:10,960
society

2611
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:13,040
civilian ufos do you actually believe

2612
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,119
that the communist party of china will

2613
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:18,000
allow any civilian activity like that

2614
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,320
unless the chinese party approved of it

2615
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,400
and knew about it so there's the ufo

2616
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:24,880
society that met uh i don't know if

2617
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:26,639
they're still in existence but

2618
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:28,960
the timing is really interested because

2619
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:31,679
they were created um about the time that

2620
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,790
so you know we told him yeah i think we

2621
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,719
told him about one and now they have a

2622
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:42,960
task force

2623
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:51,199
that kind of coincides with when our

2624
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:54,320
relationship tumbled

2625
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,600
with them

2626
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:57,119
you know and

2627
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:58,719
yeah it's a bag of worms now

2628
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:00,320
unfortunately

2629
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:02,960
but hopefully it gets better

2630
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:04,639
uh what do you first see in the future

2631
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,800
with this disclosure i think you know to

2632
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,199
be quite honest with you um you just

2633
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,520
laid down i know you said a lot of it's

2634
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:13,600
unclassified and you get all of it or

2635
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,440
and you got permission but

2636
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,520
um you just laid down a lot of

2637
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:19,920
disclosure for people on

2638
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:22,400
right now yeah so i'm very appreciative

2639
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:23,280
of that

2640
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:24,320
um

2641
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:26,800
what what do you what do you see happens

2642
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,520
from here or going forward

2643
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:31,360
sure

2644
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:32,639
well first of all let me address the

2645
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,590
what i bring to the table and what

2646
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,520
intelligence officers who are retired

2647
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,520
can bring to the table is what i just

2648
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:43,360
described they're very reluctant to come

2649
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,480
forward because when we talk about this

2650
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,960
if we don't fit into some

2651
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:50,239
uh

2652
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:53,040
world view of what is going on

2653
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:55,280
we're called disinformation agents

2654
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:58,480
and no one wants to be uh

2655
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:01,040
denigrated in that manner yeah all folks

2656
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,560
do not want to come out to say i don't

2657
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:04,400
want to be colleges i know this is what

2658
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:06,400
i know i don't know everything if they

2659
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:08,000
ask me what i don't know i have to say i

2660
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:09,760
don't know but when i say that people

2661
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,880
think i'm holding withholding

2662
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:13,360
information but i really don't know so

2663
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:14,560
these people are not going to come out

2664
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:17,199
and so me coming out like this um i'm

2665
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:19,199
hoping to encourage other folks

2666
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,400
particularly my nga colleagues who know

2667
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:24,000
a lot more about what's going on up

2668
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:25,119
there

2669
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:27,040
to come out and say hey you know we can

2670
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:28,639
talk about this

2671
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,560
so going from there

2672
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:33,520
disclosure is something to me is a top

2673
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:35,199
down from the government to we the

2674
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,400
people

2675
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:38,960
and i think that's going to be drives

2676
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:41,600
and drafts um i'm not going to tell you

2677
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,560
about

2678
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:44,719
anything that we're working on based on

2679
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,840
any technology we may have recovered

2680
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:50,000
i don't think that's going to happen

2681
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:51,920
do you think they know anything more

2682
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,800
than

2683
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:54,639
you know we know as far as intent and

2684
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:56,400
where from

2685
01:44:02,950 --> 01:43:58,800
um

2686
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,960
i it's my speculation that they do yeah

2687
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,480
i think they do know

2688
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,639
um you would agree we deserve to have

2689
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:08,560
that answer right

2690
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:10,400
i think we can handle it you know

2691
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,840
remember that

2692
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:13,199
movie uh

2693
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,560
uh

2694
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:17,199
a few good men right yeah you can't

2695
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:19,119
handle it you can't

2696
01:44:25,109 --> 01:44:20,960
we can handle the truth

2697
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,119
more of the truth is out there so it's

2698
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,199
all like a top-down disclosure from the

2699
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,960
government to we the people

2700
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,440
uh what you're doing sean and what

2701
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:33,440
everyone else is doing

2702
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:39,510
programs to let people understand what's

2703
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,480
going on to have a guest on

2704
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:44,480
uh to explain what they think what's

2705
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:47,280
going on to me that is citizen science

2706
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,320
and that's from we people on up

2707
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,960
right and so where this is going is now

2708
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:54,880
for the first time i checked the

2709
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:56,800
legislation and it's good

2710
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,760
the house permanent no the

2711
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,159
house on services committee and the

2712
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,480
national defense authorization act for

2713
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:07,199
the next fiscal year 2022

2714
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:10,000
has a provision in it to establish a

2715
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,199
permanent

2716
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:13,119
uap office within the department of

2717
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,159
defense

2718
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:16,000
permanent and that means it's going to

2719
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,199
get funded

2720
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,360
it's not like all staff needs to go find

2721
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:21,199
funding and oh you can't get funding we

2722
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:22,880
have to shut it down after two years

2723
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:24,400
this is permanent

2724
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:26,480
and if you leave read what it's in the

2725
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:29,600
legislation i'm very encouraged that

2726
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:32,159
there's international cooperation that's

2727
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:34,320
mandated by the legislation the united

2728
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:36,560
states government will share what it

2729
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,960
knows with other countries and encourage

2730
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:40,719
other countries to share what they know

2731
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,000
with us

2732
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,159
to me what it says is they damn well are

2733
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,159
sure that it's not theirs or ours or

2734
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:48,000
they wouldn't be doing that exactly

2735
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:51,280
and to address uh the harmful effects

2736
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:54,080
there's also a provision in there that

2737
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,520
the government

2738
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:57,280
should

2739
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:58,639
look at

2740
01:46:02,070 --> 01:45:59,520
the

2741
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:02,080
physical and psychological effects of

2742
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:04,159
encountering a uap

2743
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,320
so that addresses all of the

2744
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:08,480
uh health issues that people have

2745
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:09,600
experienced

2746
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:11,600
and that was recounted in the

2747
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:13,840
recent skinwalkers ranch book

2748
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:20,550
this in a way that wasn't good for their

2749
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:23,199
health or some people seen it

2750
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:26,000
and having other people uh criticize

2751
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:27,600
them may have suffered some kind of

2752
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:29,360
psychological effect

2753
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,360
of you know being criticized for this oh

2754
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:33,679
you're crazy you know from their family

2755
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:35,679
or friends so now we're looking at that

2756
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,800
officially and so i'm encouraged that at

2757
01:46:41,669 --> 01:46:40,719
least from the government side

2758
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:41,679
um

2759
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:43,199
this is going to be

2760
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:44,800
front and center

2761
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:47,280
and now because it's going to be the law

2762
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:48,400
of land

2763
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:52,480
180 not one time 180 days about 180 days

2764
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,679
all the time

2765
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,000
twice per year a report on the

2766
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,239
department of defense

2767
01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:00,639
on the that's title 10 remember title 10

2768
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:03,280
is department of defense title 50

2769
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:05,760
is the cynics committee on intelligence

2770
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:08,159
the intelligence authorization act for

2771
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,920
fy 2022

2772
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:11,280
um they have

2773
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:13,280
even stronger language

2774
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:17,040
a 90 day every 90 days imagine

2775
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:18,800
that's quarterly

2776
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:21,280
imagine having quarterly reports

2777
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:22,880
four times a year

2778
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:25,600
and they also stipulated hey

2779
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:28,239
we don't care about 2004 and onward we

2780
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:29,679
already know about that

2781
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:31,119
go back

2782
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:32,000
before

2783
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:35,119
interesting go to those files and

2784
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:36,639
release them

2785
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:40,159
yeah well and uh we want briefings we

2786
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:42,080
want hearings

2787
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:44,880
and i'm hoping that these hearings

2788
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,440
um both in the house and senate

2789
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:48,800
counterparts for the intelligence

2790
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:51,600
committees there and also the senate and

2791
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:52,880
house counterparts for the armed

2792
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:55,360
services committee will hold public

2793
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:56,880
hearings

2794
01:48:02,950 --> 01:47:59,119
so that they can remove some of this

2795
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:02,960
stigma about discussing this that

2796
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:04,960
so uh scientists like neil degrasse

2797
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,350
you know he thinks that we're all like

2798
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,520
crazy you know i don't know yeah i know

2799
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:16,470
you don't understand this is impossible

2800
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:18,159
but you know i mean he needs to

2801
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:20,000
understand you know that this is a real

2802
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:27,270
that now i can a candidate uh running

2803
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:28,560
for office

2804
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:31,679
uh in my part of arizona now i can say

2805
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:34,639
uh mr ms candidate uh what do you think

2806
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,320
about uaps

2807
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,080
and it's not like a crazy question

2808
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,239
because i'm going to say as you know

2809
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:42,400
there's now a uap office in the

2810
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,080
department of defense

2811
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:46,480
in your position as a policy maker in

2812
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:47,760
congress

2813
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,480
what is your feeling about uaps what is

2814
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:52,320
what is going to be your policy about

2815
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:55,679
uap disclosure for example and now i can

2816
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,400
ask that and and people in the media we

2817
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,639
the citizens should be asking that of

2818
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:02,880
our our representatives now that there's

2819
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,119
their uap office established that's what

2820
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,199
i think is going forward i think in our

2821
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:09,280
lifetimes i think we're we're going to

2822
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:11,600
get some level of understanding of

2823
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,480
what's going on and the uh recent uh

2824
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:16,320
skin walkers of the pentagon have went a

2825
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:18,320
long long way

2826
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:19,679
of addressing

2827
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:21,840
so can you somewhat vouch for the

2828
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,000
authenticity of it as far as you can

2829
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:26,320
tell of course from reading it it all

2830
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,719
seems up just enough for the most i

2831
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:30,800
looked at the security protocols in

2832
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,480
place i looked at the reporting

2833
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:35,040
requirements the way it was constructed

2834
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,800
the budget i know a lot about how

2835
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:38,880
budgets are constructed

2836
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:40,719
i would say yes indeed that is very

2837
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:44,159
authentic i would totally totally

2838
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:45,119
place

2839
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:47,280
a high degree of validation on that

2840
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:48,400
piece of work

2841
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,239
that's beautiful to hear

2842
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:52,560
you have done this community uh such

2843
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,679
good

2844
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:55,360
today

2845
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:57,280
i guess at this point

2846
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:59,199
we're about to hit the two hour mark i'm

2847
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:00,960
going to

2848
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,400
pass it to you

2849
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,400
you know so to speak have the floor you

2850
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:06,080
can say absolutely anything you want

2851
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:08,560
about anything you want um whether it's

2852
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:12,080
a you know message to ufo twitter or you

2853
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:13,840
know something about yourself that's up

2854
01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:15,360
to you

2855
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:17,360
well i'm i'm pretty much exhausted right

2856
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:21,750
yeah

2857
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:24,719
i appreciate it i i will i will say this

2858
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:26,560
um

2859
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:29,280
i would be at star works usa

2860
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,119
uh that will be held

2861
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:32,800
in uh

2862
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,320
laughlin nevada at the uh i forget the

2863
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,080
name of the hotel now

2864
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:42,719
um but i'll be there it's sponsored by

2865
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,760
uh paula harris and chocolate

2866
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:48,000
so i'll be there not presenting but i'll

2867
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:50,159
just be a member of the audience like i

2868
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:51,360
used to be

2869
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:53,199
in the 90s when i used to go to ufo

2870
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:54,960
conferences

2871
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:57,360
i've actually met paula harris but she

2872
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,880
didn't know that because it was mostly a

2873
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,239
meet and greet

2874
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:02,400
uh steam ambassador i don't think he

2875
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,080
remembers me but

2876
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:06,560
in 2004 x conference

2877
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:08,800
i was one of his angel sponsors i

2878
01:51:13,270 --> 01:51:11,199
contributed a chunk of money well having

2879
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:13,280
that confidence held it's a great friend

2880
01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:14,400
of chill

2881
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,639
oh great i'm glad because he's very

2882
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:18,400
knowledgeable how washington works

2883
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,159
probably most knowledgeable about how

2884
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:22,400
washington works or doesn't work

2885
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:25,440
yeah and uh so

2886
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:27,920
i'm looking forward to being at the star

2887
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:29,360
wars usa

2888
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,800
conference

2889
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,560
and um

2890
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:34,239
also uh

2891
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,320
i'm also a member of exo metaverse

2892
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:40,480
group in sedona arizona

2893
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:44,560
uh it is uh sponsored by zenka caro

2894
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,199
and sedona and they meet periodically

2895
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,960
several times a month actually like a

2896
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,400
few times a month

2897
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,639
and now you'll see me there in the zoom

2898
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:54,560
window somewhere

2899
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:58,239
and uh so i'm there as well and uh

2900
01:52:02,550 --> 01:51:59,440
yeah

2901
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,560
i also would like to reveal that um i

2902
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:04,639
have a light worker that's wonderful

2903
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,920
that if you want to get into a

2904
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:07,760
meditative practice

2905
01:52:13,709 --> 01:52:10,960
yourself or your audience out here i

2906
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:13,719
encourage you to visit

2907
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:17,599
glenyounger.com that's glenn g l e n n

2908
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:20,880
two n's uh y o u n g e r glenn younger

2909
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:22,159
dot com

2910
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:24,159
and she has a site divine light

2911
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,360
vibrations uh she's the one that

2912
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,199
helped me bridge the world between

2913
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:31,199
physics and metaphysics because i came

2914
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:33,040
from the physics side

2915
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,440
of the uap experience and she came from

2916
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:37,119
the metaphysics side and we kind of met

2917
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,320
in the middle

2918
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,239
and we informed each other of our

2919
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,880
various world views from there and she

2920
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:44,639
really taught me how to meditate

2921
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:46,000
effectively

2922
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,719
um she's on youtube as well you can cook

2923
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,400
up and she has a

2924
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,040
meditation protocol that she uses about

2925
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:55,440
nine minutes and that's what i use uh

2926
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:57,360
for my personal life and it really works

2927
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,480
well

2928
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,800
um but other than that i'm

2929
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:03,119
really you know if people contact you

2930
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:04,639
and have questions i'll be happy to

2931
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:06,000
follow up with you

2932
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:07,679
yeah of course questions they may have

2933
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:10,639
um i'll be you'll see more of me i think

2934
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,679
various types of calls i think yeah i

2935
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:15,520
think you're gonna probably uh be

2936
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:18,320
overwhelmed uh after this not too far

2937
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,239
after of people wanting to speak with

2938
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:22,400
you about this stuff so

2939
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,599
um

2940
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:25,360
you know i

2941
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:29,040
that you seem like a good guy and you

2942
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:31,679
seem like an even better guy after this

2943
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:32,639
um

2944
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,880
you just seem very honest and

2945
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,719
you live with integrity and i think

2946
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:38,719
that's very important and you can see

2947
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:39,520
that

2948
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:42,320
uh in you when you discuss this and how

2949
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:44,639
you answer questions and just how

2950
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:47,599
transparent you are um i think

2951
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,040
you know a lot of people have been

2952
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,119
waiting for that and i'm glad you

2953
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,040
arrived so and i'm

2954
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,760
so grateful that that we did this i feel

2955
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:57,599
lucky so thank you

2956
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:00,639
thank you for having me yeah my pleasure

2957
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:06,950
we'll do another two hours another time

2958
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,040
yeah all right john you take care i

2959
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:10,960
appreciate it thank you

2960
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:15,910
all right guys

2961
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:17,920
uh i appreciate your time thanks for